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 Posted:   Jul 18, 2014 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I too am a bit surprised by the choices. The excellent Mr. Phillips should've taken a poll here on what to include on the poll. smile

Of course, I sort of already did that here: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=93066&forumID=1&archive=0

My issues with the three choices he gave are as follows:

1. Lionheart is one of my favorite Goldsmith scores and I would buy a rerecording in an instant, BUT...It's already been released, in complete form no less, and the sound quality is very good even if the performance admittedly has some issues. Why not concentrate on scores that don't survive at all, at least in complete form? This would seem to place it in the same lower-priority category as The Blue Max, which we know Mr. Fitzpatrick really wants to do. However, The Blue Max was recorded in the 60s and despite the rebuilt-from-the-ground-up LLL edition which is amazing, I could still understand having new appeal for people in modern sound quality, and unlike Lionheart the film is well-regarded and has had some exposure, and along with that Goldsmith's score is one of his most noticed and critically-acclaimed.

2. Lilies of the Field is a lovely score but the simple Amen theme, not written by Goldsmith, permeates it. I'm also unsure exactly how much of the score is unreleased (but it shouldn't be much), and the original LP album was recently reissued (again) by Perseverance with new mastering and notes, so has no rarity factor to create demand, as QB VII did (aside from the fact that the existing rare LP recording only contained a third of the score!) But if one is going to do a smaller score from Goldsmith's early period, why not tackle Black Patch, his very first film score (and certain to get some interest just because of that alone), which has never been released in any way because the tapes no longer survive? (And his third score, Face of a Fugitive, is in the same boat and would work well thematically to fill out the disc since it's also a small-scale western score.)

3. I voted for the Thriller scores in this poll, because I think they're not a bad first choice for Kickstarter, because the show has some name recognition/critical acclaim, and the costs for re-recording since the orchestras for these scores were small, would be manageable. HOWEVER, I am fairly certain that tapes of these DO exist, so still a lower priority to me compared to the other things on my wish list (and other people's) which I linked to above.

Lionheart will probably win the poll though, because it is an 80s fantasy score (even if it's historical rather than fantastical, it sounds like a fantasy score!) The problem is that the costs to record it will be so much higher compared to Thriller, and would it really sell that many more copies?

When I asked Mr. Phillips last year what his dream Goldsmith projects would be, he answered:
"I'm not sure how many scores are planned for the series - but, if I could pick anything, it would be one of three things:
. Complete Lionheart (the soundtrack performance is pretty poor)
. A CD of his scores for Thriller & Twilight Zone
. Orchestral realisation of one of his 'synth trilogy' scores (which maybe interesting, as he tended to write quite orchestrally for the keyboards on those projects) "

Of those three he left off the last one from the poll, which for me would have been the most compelling of the ones he was interested in, and it would also present the biggest opportunity to show off his orchestration chops as a Goldsmith fanatic. Perhaps he can enlighten us more as to why he substituted Lilies in the Field. I confess I don't remember too much missing music because the film was somewhat sparsely scored, but if I'm mistaken or if Goldsmith wrote more music (or different music, perhaps with not so much interpolation of Amen over and over), then I'd happily eat my words!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2014 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

BABE?!

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2014 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yes indeed. I actually really need to update my Wish List thread, because since the following thread happened Babe has become my most wanted new Goldsmith recording...
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=102554&forumID=1&archive=0

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2014 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Babe would be an instant winner for me - or Black Patch / Face of a Fugitive combo you mentioned... I agree that some choices are rather odd and I agree completely with all your points regarding Lionheart and others selected for the first poll.
BABE would be a brand new discovery of a never previously recorded score, from the 90s that usually sell and also very popular movie... and the scores still survive at the archives.
The only unknown is if Universal would be willing to let someone actually record it, besides that it should go all just fine without any need to painfully reconstruct everything, etc...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   Timo47   (Member)

The survey has been closed and replaced with a new one with now only Lionheart and Thriller as options.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well I voted for Thriller again, but it would've been nice if there were at least 5 choices instead of 2 or the original 3.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

In all honesty, I'll be thrilled if Lionheart happens too. Either one's a win. But I voted Thriller again.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

In all honesty, I'll be thrilled if Lionheart happens too. Either one's a win. But I voted Thriller again.

even when something wins, doesn't mean it will happen, it will still need to reach its kickstarter goal first to cover its costs. Hopefully it will all work in the end...

Voted for Thriller too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

a Lionheart rerecording ?

with all due respect, this would be quite a waste of money.

Although the Hungarian State Opera orchestra performance may not be top notch, there are dozens of scores waiting for a proper recording.

IMHO the varese albums play just fine and were nicely produced.

But once again, this is not my money, I am not a film music businessman and I welcome any initiative in favor of the preservation of the art of film music..

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a waste of money. I'm sure we'd get a great recording. It's not like Beethoven's 5th symphony where we've got way too many recordings of an excellent work so that each new one feels totally useless.

However, I agree that in a market which is only able to support so many film music releases, there are far higher priorities to be recorded.

Therefore, I took it upon myself to create a new, unofficial poll at the same website:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DFSRGVB

Anyone who wanted more options, please vote again! I included the options Leigh provided in his poll as well, so that if those indeed turn out to be popular it will be evident from my new poll. But if people would be more likely to support a recording of different Goldsmith compositions, I think Leigh should know! I want his Kickstarter to be as successful as possible.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   LeighPhillips   (Member)

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a waste of money. I'm sure we'd get a great recording. It's not like Beethoven's 5th symphony where we've got way too many recordings of an excellent work so that each new one feels totally useless.

However, I agree that in a market which is only able to support so many film music releases, there are far higher priorities to be recorded.

Therefore, I took it upon myself to create a new, unofficial poll at the same website:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DFSRGVB

Anyone who wanted more options, please vote again! I included the options Leigh provided in his poll as well, so that if those indeed turn out to be popular it will be evident from my new poll. But if people would be more likely to support a recording of different Goldsmith compositions, I think Leigh should know! I want his Kickstarter to be as successful as possible.

Yavar


Hi Yavar,

I've been really interested in the comments relating to the short survey about a potential re-record and I was in no doubt that the scores listed would be the cause of some debate. That being said, as I alluded to in the paragraph at the start of the survey, the reasons for choosing the scores that are on the list are, pretty much, logistical ones. While I realise that these may not be everybody's 'first choices', they would be the ones that would prove the easiest to get off the ground by avoiding any unnecessary legal or 'access to suitable material' issues (eg. although Salamander was a takedown from DVD, it's not a way of working that's particularly great on the ears and not all scores maybe as 'edit free' as that one!).

Anyway, I hope that goes some way to clear up why certain choices have been made. It'll be interesting to see the results of your new poll, but there are several on that list that were seriously considered and passed over, purely because of some inherent difficulties attached to them.

All the input so far has been very much appreciated - thanks everyone!

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks for the info, Leigh! I certainly hope that those of these scores you allude to problems with are only difficult and not impossible to do at some point. What do you think of Babe? I absent-mindedly left it out of my new poll but the prospect of funding a never before heard (but at least 90% written!) Goldsmith score might just be the most exciting prospect of all!

Yavar

P.S. As of now, Lionheart and Black Patch/Face of a Fugitive are neck and neck with a whole 2 votes each. smile No votes for any others, somewhat surprisingly.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2014 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Last call to vote in my survey (and I think Leigh's is ending too -- so vote there because it's the official one!)

So far I've had 25 responses and there is at the present time a clear winner and a clear runner-up.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2014 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

All right! Here are the results of my unofficial survey for all who may be interested (I suppose I'll still leave it open in case anybody else really wants to vote still):

48 people responded, with the breakdown as follows:

in 1st place, with 16 votes: Black Patch / Face of a Fugitive
in 2nd place, with 13 votes: Lionheart
in 3rd place, with 8 votes: Thriller
in 4th place, with 7 votes: The Chairman
in 5th place, with 3 votes: Shamus / Pursuit
in 6th place, with 1 vote: Ransom (aka The Terrorists)

Lilies of the Field didn't receive any votes, which may be why Leigh removed it from his poll (or maybe Bruce Kimmel got in touch with him and said that since the Perseverance issue recently went OOP, Kritzerland can reissue it complete in the near future??) smile

In any case, I found the results pretty interesting! What do you guys think?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2014 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

Does anyone know when the next release will be revealed?

I do recall that James stated that he was sworn to secrecy as to the title but no indication was given to any dates of the next release.


I understand that La La Land have just announced their forthcoming releases at Cordoba.

Does anyone know whether there were any representatives from Tadlow or Prometheus to announce their titles. They have used the festival in the past to announce their titles.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2014 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

I doubt anything has ever been announced by Tadlow/Prometheus in Cordoba. James might have premiered some videos there, I think. But not sure if there was anything revealed.

I hope this new release will be announced soon... I am sure it will make some folks very happy!
But everything is up to Prometheus to decide.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

'The Chairman'.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2014 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Could "The High and the Mighty" be scored by Tadlow?

It would be outstanding!

 
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