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 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Just replaying this and noticed something I never heard before. On "V'Ger Speaks" at about the 32 second mark I hear what seems to be an anomaly. Sounds like "Chirp, Chirp". Like someone outside are auto locking their car doors. Or a bird was on the sound stage. Can anyone identify the sound? Was it an instrument, or an artifact not meant to be on the recording?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Solium

I might be wrong, but I do not think they had 'chirp=chirp' remote locking car doors in 1979.
Oh, those were the days, when I did not have to hear soccer moms locking the doors to the mini-van when they park right in front of the Starbucks.

Perhaps a tiny bird on the soundstage, a little winged fan of Jerry?

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

I can hear it. It sounds like someone's rubber shoe sole squeaking on the floor.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I can hear it. It sounds like someone's rubber shoe sole squeaking on the floor.

I think you can hear it again at about 1:27, except it's a single sound. Could be someone depressing a pedaled instrument at those points.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

Do you guys have nothing better to do than try to find everything wrong with every release?

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Obviously the mike system employed had enough integrated overlap to catch mice running around on their sneakers. wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Ha, good point, I guess they didn't have remote car locking back then! smile
(Though it seems like yesterday to me.)

Thanks for checking and suggesting what the sound could be.

@ Kim Tong- I was not complaining, or trying to find something wrong with the set. I was just curious what the sound could be. wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Now we're on the subject of TMP, I've been listening to the original Enterprise, Leaving Drydock and Spock's Arrival. I can see what director Wise was getting at when he described the music as having a nautical (sailing ships) quality. I can't pin down whether this nauticalism is something generic or comes from specific films he was tapping into. Anyone care to comment on likely scores Wise had in mind when he confronted his composer with the news?

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Good question. I can't pin point a specific score like Sea Hawk or Mutiny on the Bounty. Seems more generic too me. Maybe something from the classical arena?

I just noticed at around 1:30 the theme sounds an awful lot like a classical Sci Fi theme. The Day the Earth Stood Still or something. I know it's the early version of The Enterprise theme, but it seems to be taken from somewhere else.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Geez, between the "chirp-chirp" and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL simularity, I think it's time to hit the "anal retentive" alert.

If you want to hear studio noise, listen to the original Dimitri Tiomkin LP for THE GUNS OF NAVARONE with a good pair of headphones--you can almost hear the chorus members shifting on their feet at one point.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Geez, between the "chirp-chirp" and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL simularity, I think it's time to hit the "anal retentive" alert.


Well now that you mention it, I think I hear a burp and farting sound too. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Noticed it too. Sounds like a synth element. The "chirping" as annoying as it is to my ears, does sound musically constructed. Goldsmith always brought that kind of soundscape stuff to his scores.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I can see what director Wise was getting at when he described the music as having a nautical (sailing ships) quality..

Horner got the old-school-scoring nautical quality better. Goldsmith was congenitally unable to adopt any traditional style like 40's-50's pirate/swashbuckler becuse they were too trite to meld with Jerry's more modernistic sound.

I think Goldsmith had to be Goldsmith in this instance, and came up with something better. He actually nailed, better than any other big composer of the time, a "stellar" kind of sound for the Space Station/Enterprise music of the first half of the movie.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

In the case of WOK, I believe Horner was asked to deliberately cast the Enterprise in the sailing ship class by Meyer. In fact, Enterprise and Reliant were really navy subs in semi-disguise and still mainly firing torpedoes at each other.

There's a section of the early version of Leaving Drydock from about 0:16 to 0:49 that reminds me of a part of the score to 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea by Paul Smith. Then from 0:57 to 1:07 it's like generic sailing ships again. Then the same thing happens at 2:04 until 2:28. Wise was striving to make TMP 'believable' by giving it a greater sense of scale than had been revealed by the TV series, and I think he succeeded in large measure. TMP has the most business-like sense of acumen from the lot and I, for one, liked that approach. So I think Wise was not looking to attach contradictions to his version of Star Trek. I think he was looking more to edify the Star Trek universe and that required a consistent sense of grand detachment. In the end, Goldsmith understood that, and delivered.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   jediking12   (Member)

I hear things like that alot on CDs like The Empire Strikes Back had something during the Finale music at around 5:48 you can hear something that sounds like someone saying "HEY!

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Geez, between the "chirp-chirp" and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL simularity, I think it's time to hit the "anal retentive" alert.

You do realize that simply by virtue of the fact that we've all joined a filmscore message board makes every one of us anal retentive; it's only the degree of it that changes among us. No person who is a casual filmscore fan can boast membership herein, I guarantee it.

That said, I love when people either hear something I don't hear or also hear something I hear. This is just a small part of the fascinating content one finds here. The most magical thing: people are sharing.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I heard a car honk outside while I was listening to this cd!wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Just replaying this and noticed something I never heard before. On "V'Ger Speaks" at about the 32 second mark I hear what seems to be an anomaly. Sounds like "Chirp, Chirp".


I checked it for myself just now. It's the kind of flaw you can mistake for some little ambient noise that might be coming from a bird on the roof or kids at a house two blocks down. In the film I'm sure it would be taken as just another sound that V'ger makes. Given TMP's eerie, alien soundscape, nobody ever sat up straight and said "That's wrong!"

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2014 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I mean, if anything, everyone is appreciating how clear the sonics are that such a minor sound anomaly is audible. Nobody is suggesting that it's an error, simply something captured by the recording on the day.

 
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