Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


Many moon ago, it was told that John Burlingame was working on a book on Alfred Newman and his family.

Has anyone an update on this?

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

For a moment there, I jumped for joy and thought that this was an announcement.

This ever-forthcoming book is gaining near-mythical status. This must be Mr. Burlingame's magnum opus. It is certainly long overdue.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

Many moon ago, it was told that John Burlingame was working on a book on Alfred Newman and his family.

Has anyone an update on this?


I believe that Jon is working on a bio of Elmer Bernstein.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

For a moment there, I jumped for joy and thought that this was an announcement.



So did I. The thread title needs a question mark!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Yes, it's a book I would love to see too. But Jon has told me a couple of times that his day jobs (Variety and teaching) have forced the project to the back burner.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

There was supposed to be a great Documentary Film too, called ALL ABOUT ALFRED I thought.

In the words of the immortal Ricky Ricardo

"WHA HOPPEN?"

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Yes, it's a book I would love to see too. But Jon has told me a couple of times that his day jobs (Variety and teaching) have forced the project to the back burner.

...and the Elmer book is on the front burner.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


We need the Alfred Newman book along with some new Alfred Newman CDs! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Only Jon Burlingame can provide the accurate answers regarding the book's non-appearance.....


But, dare I speculate with my own opinions......

1- I suspect the book, or at least a fairly good draft of it, was completed some years ago......

2- I suspect Jon (or his agent) has tried to place it with a legitimate publisher, but has not found success in this.....

3- I suspect any legitimate publisher will perceive that it is too late for Alfred Newman's biography, including even that of his brothers, or even his sons, working contemporarily. Newman died 40+ years ago, and his last score was 40+ years ago. Even on this website, with all our interest in filmmusic, only the few remaining diehard Golden Age music buffs mention the Newmans of that age, and it is rarely picked up by anyone here except those who have an extreme interest in this period. His films are not, sadly, iconic and truly worshipped by the last several generations of filmmusic fans---most of whom have never seen them. Over the last several decades we've had innumerable re-recordings of Rozsa, Herrmann, Goldsmith, North---even Steiner..... How many re-recordings of a full Alfred Newman score have we had since 1970? Very few.

4- The world has moved on and the way films were once created and scored by Alfred Newman and his contemporaries are very foreign to the way films are made and scored today.

5- Elmer Bernstein started much later in the business.....his films continued to more recent vintages.....he only fairly recently died......and many of his films and scores are still admired by (at least) a segment of middle-aged filmmusic fans who know them. A book about Elmer Bernstein is a far more commercial prospect from the standpoint of a publisher and, of course, a writer who needs to put food on the table.

6- The book publishing business has also changed radically through various electronic media.
Several of my friends who are well-known and worked in the business and who have very interesting stories to tell and have written books about their careers, have also found it hard-going to get their work published. After many rejections, in each case they have finally self-published, one writer via copies made-to-order and also as paid download on Amazon.com, and another writer strictly as a paid download. They've each sold copies to members of the general public who are interested in the subject matter, but neither writer has given me any evidence that they've made enough to pay for more than several meals at a good restaurant. The information in their books is fabulous, but there is also an element of ego involved in doing a book about themselves and their work. Years ago, we used to call this kind of publishing "the vanity press" where the author, if he couldn't sell his book to a publisher, paid for the printing himself through one of the "vanity presses". They were usually very stripped-down editions with no niceties like dust covers and extensive photos, and they often sold for very elevated prices to the audience who would buy the limited edition copies that were available---if you could find them. When classic filmmusic by major composers is being released in press runs of 1000 copies by legitimate companies and sometimes doesn't sell out, you can hardly expect that there is going to be a mass exodus to buy a book about the Newman family. My respect for Jon Burlingame and the entire Newman family is boundless, so I have no delight in pointing out these issues.

7- I'd like to imagine that all the preceding is hogwash, and that I'll be proven incorrect on every point, but as you age you start to see and understand the realities of the world, and the idealistic qualities of your youth and the future possibilities ahead often slowly blur or fade away.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)



You made some good points Manderley.

Does Jon know you can self-publish using Amazon? I'm talking actual paper books.

I have a friend in Canada who wrote a book on weight training and Arthur Jones. No publisher wanted to do John's book.

So John self-published with Amazon. When a book order comes in, Amazon will print one paper book and mail it out. John says he's doing very well with actual paper book sales!

Maybe the Newman book can be done this way?

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

How good are the sales for Jon's recent James Bond book?

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

I suspect any legitimate publisher will perceive that it is too late for Alfred Newman's biography, including even that of his brothers, or even his sons, working contemporarily. Newman died 40+ years ago, and his last score was 40+ years ago.

And yet Max Steiner's book is coming out this Friday:

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

I suspect any legitimate publisher will perceive that it is too late for Alfred Newman's biography, including even that of his brothers, or even his sons, working contemporarily. Newman died 40+ years ago, and his last score was 40+ years ago.

And yet Max Steiner's book is coming out this Friday:




I'm sure Wegele's Max Steiner book will be an interesting read,
but I'm going to take a calculated guess that:

1- .....Peter Wegele is a European author and not an American with the publishing problems inherent in the US. The Europeans are way ahead of us in supporting serious works about our own industry than we are.

2- .....The Max Steiner book originates in Europe as an academic piece
with a musical theory to expound upon, and is not, strictly, a biography....
and will essentially be used in the classroom study of film music with some
guaranteed textbook sales.

3- .....Was not written by an author whose writings are his primary
means of income.

4- .....Is not cheap enough for the casual filmmusic fan who might have the
interest but not the money to purchase it.

5- .....Is not published by an American publishing house---who are generally
not interested in boutique books.


(It always surprises me that The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in Hollywood isn't more interested in the limited publishing of the kinds of historical books about the Hollywood industry like Burlingame's that would be of continuing value. Of course, they are now expending multi-multi-millions of dollars on a film museum---and monument to its multi-million-dollar celebrity contributors---and that takes a lot of fund$.)


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   KSU6671   (Member)

Checked the Steiner book and alas it is $67.00. Guess I'll pass. How about eBooks that should make the Newman book doable and the Steiner book affordable.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

.....Peter Wegele is a European author and not an American with the publishing problems inherent in the US. The Europeans are way ahead of us in supporting serious works about our own industry than we are.

The book sells for 39 Euros in Europe and was originally published in October 2012 by the Boehlau Verlag in Vienna, Austria. Wegele is both a jazz pianist and a German film composer/arranger, who researched his book at the Warner Bros. Archive in Los Angeles and the University of Provo, Utah.


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)


(It always surprises me that The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in Hollywood isn't more interested in the limited publishing of the kinds of historical books about the Hollywood industry like Burlingame's that would be of continuing value. Of course, they are now expending multi-multi-millions of dollars on a film museum---and monument to its multi-million-dollar celebrity contributors---and that takes a lot of fund$.)


Oh it's much worse than that!

The Academy has been wasting a ton of money (working with one of the last labs standing) making literally hundreds of film prints and putting them in their archives. Instead of publishing another of those books that lament the decline of film they are making these prints that will disintegrate over time instead of investing in a beautiful DCP or blue-ray. Add to that (get this) that new multi-million dollar facility they are building will be one of the last that will have 35MM projection capability. So as there are fewer and fewer places to run these prints you may have to go there to see them at all, practically forcing us to watch this stuff on (ugh) celluloid. Not that we would be interested as many are black and white and mono which is anathema to this board.

So not only does the Academy get it wrong every time with their awards they have a twisted idea about what film history is and should be.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Are you serious, Morricone? If so, I recommend you check out this site:

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Customer_Testimonials/Archive/index.htm

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Are you serious, Morricone? If so, I recommend you check out this site:

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Customer_Testimonials/Archive/index.htm


Thanks, Matt!

I changed from the sunglasses to the wink.

The Academy has gotten an onslaught of non-stop dumping on here for being self aggrandizing, elite idiots pumping up their "stars" for bucks. I have known them all my life as a bastion of film appreciation and culture. I have met so many members that are my heroes I can't begin to count them all. They do a ton of stuff all year that makes me appreciate the no end. But the dumping continues from all angles and I thought I would join them in an absurd way.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


(It always surprises me that The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in Hollywood isn't more interested in the limited publishing of the kinds of historical books about the Hollywood industry like Burlingame's that would be of continuing value. Of course, they are now expending multi-multi-millions of dollars on a film museum---and monument to its multi-million-dollar celebrity contributors---and that takes a lot of fund$.)


Oh it's much worse than that!

The Academy has been wasting a ton of money (working with one of the last labs standing) making literally hundreds of film prints and putting them in their archives. Instead of publishing another of those books that lament the decline of film they are making these prints that will disintegrate over time instead of investing in a beautiful DCP or blue-ray. Add to that (get this) that new multi-million dollar facility they are building will be one of the last that will have 35MM projection capability. So as there are fewer and fewer places to run these prints you may have to go there to see them at all, practically forcing us to watch this stuff on (ugh) celluloid. Not that we would be interested as many are black and white and mono which is anathema to this board.

So not only does the Academy get it wrong every time with their awards they have a twisted idea about what film history is and should be.




"Not that we would be interested as many are black and white and mono which is anathema on this board."

Morricone, I LOVE back and white mono films!

Count me in! smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I'd certainly buy a self-published "The Newmans of Hollywood".

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2024 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.
Website maintained and powered by Veraprise and Matrimont.