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 Posted:   May 10, 2014 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Can anyone identify the recording used during the intro of this BBC documentary on Deborah Kerr? It's one of my very favourite theme songs and I rather like this lush arrangement (hope the link works):

[see new link further below]

Also, while on the subject, I came across this mp3 collection on Amazon which includes a different (more '60s arrangement?) of the theme. Can anyone recognise it (it sounds a little like Mancini) and indeed the performers of the other tracks? I doubt if Cinema Centre Orchestra is the true performer!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wide-Screen-Movie-Cinema-Centre-Orchestra/dp/B00GSKAR8G/ref=ntt_mus_dp_dpt_1

Many thanks,

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2014 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

It says iPlayer TV only available in the UK, so that eliminates all non-UK help you might be getting.

Sorry.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

It says iPlayer TV only available in the UK, so that eliminates all non-UK help you might be getting.

Sorry.


Thanks for pointing that out, and my apologies to non-UK board members who were unable to access the BBC link.

I'd really love to know who is performing this version. I think I've trawled through all the sound clips on Amazon but haven't found it yet...

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Not being able to replay makes this guesswork. There have been a number of arrangements of this song that have been lush. I think Stanley Black did it on one of his Film Spectacular recordings.

However, it might be the arrangement Marc Shaiman did for the soundtrack to "Sleepless in Seattle"...the scene where Meg Ryan is racing to the Empire State Building.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Not being able to replay makes this guesswork. There have been a number of arrangements of this song that have been lush. I think Stanley Black did it on one of his Film Spectacular recordings.

However, it might be the arrangement Marc Shaiman did for the soundtrack to "Sleepless in Seattle"...the scene where Meg Ryan is racing to the Empire State Building.


Yes, it's very frustrating knowing that the people who might be able to help me can't get to play the darn clip!

Thanks for the two suggestions, but it isn't the excerpt from SIS and I can't find a version by Stanley Black unfortunately.

The recordings it definitely ISN'T are the ones by Mantovani, Hal Mooney, Roger Williams, George Greeley, Ferrante & Teicher, Don Costa, Frank DeVol, Harry Sukman and Wayne King. Two possibilities are Pierre La Blanc and Pete King but I can't find recordings of those on the old www.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Regarding the first question.....

I can't play the BBC clip either, however YOU could tell us the title of the Deborah Kerr documentary, and YOU could tell us the copyright date of the documentary, and YOU could type out the end credits---specifically the credits relating to the behind-the-scenes production of the documentary, including editing credits, post-production credits, music credits---either composers, conductors, music editors, etc---production and releasing companies---to give us the slightest hints that we might be able to search.


As for the second link to Amazon.co.uk, I've played all the clips. This sounds like a very cheaply-recorded music compilation, possibly released (at least in the US) on one of the cheaper US labels of the 50s like Diplomat, Tops, Wing (Mercury's budget label), Lion (MGM's budget label) etc., with conductors like Valjean and Adriano.

It appears to have been recorded around 1958, possibly 1959---and these were often recorded in Europe (or beyond) to escape US musician's fees. The orchestra sounds "thin," and several of the arrangements "odd"....(the opening of the "Ten Commandments" theme has a Spanish "El Cid" kind of vibe....???).

The albums of Stanley Black, Walter Stott/Angela Morley, Johnny Douglas, and others of this musical ability were usually much higher in quality, in arrangement, conducting, and playing, than this CD reveals.

I think I may have this CD in my collection.

I will also check (as time allows), my compilation LPs from this 50s period. It will be interesting to see what anyone comes up with.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Regarding the first question.....

I can't play the BBC clip either, however YOU could tell us the title of the Deborah Kerr documentary, and YOU could tell us the copyright date of the documentary, and YOU could type out the end credits---specifically the credits relating to the behind-the-scenes production of the documentary, including editing credits, post-production credits, music credits---either composers, conductors, music editors, etc---production and releasing companies---to give us the slightest hints that we might be able to search.


As for the second link to Amazon.co.uk, I've played all the clips. This sounds like a very cheaply-recorded music compilation, possibly released (at least in the US) on one of the cheaper US labels of the 50s like Diplomat, Tops, Wing (Mercury's budget label), Lion (MGM's budget label) etc., with conductors like Valjean and Adriano.

It appears to have been recorded around 1958, possibly 1959---and these were often recorded in Europe (or beyond) to escape US musician's fees. The orchestra sounds "thin," and several of the arrangements "odd"....(the opening of the "Ten Commandments" theme has a Spanish "El Cid" kind of vibe....???).

The albums of Stanley Black, Walter Stott/Angela Morley, Johnny Douglas, and others of this musical ability were usually much higher in quality, in arrangement, conducting, and playing, than this CD reveals.

I think I may have this CD in my collection.

I will also check (as time allows), my compilation LPs from this 50s period. It will be interesting to see what anyone comes up with.


There's not much to tell about the Deborah Kerr programme that will help identify the music. It's a compilation of three interviews with the actress made for the BBC over several decades. The Affair to Remember excerpt is used under the spoken introduction and is only heard for about 30 seconds! It's a lovely arrangement and sounds a little like Percy Faith but I don't think he recorded it with his orchestra (I know he accompanied Vic Damone's hit single but this isn't it).

I'm sure you're right about the Amazon clips being taken from a budget LP of the late '50s as they are an odd bunch aren't they! But in very clear stereo at least. The Ten Commandments is definitely the odd one out, particularly as the love theme wasn't recorded very often, which makes its provenance even more tantalising (maybe). The vocal version of ATR sounds very Mancini-ish to me but did he ever make a recording of this theme?

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Here's a question for you...since it's BBC: Is it possible John Wilson performed that piece in one of his concerts for proms? BBC may have used that.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2014 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Well, I emailed the BBC about this and they're telling me it's the Roger Williams recording - but it most certainly isn't! His recording is much slower and, of course, more piano-led than the recording used in the TV programme.

The version I would like to have identified has a beguine-type arrangement (with a very Percy Faith-type intro for woodwind). I am wondering if it's the Pete King version from his Liberty "Music For The Girl You Love" album, but I can't find any sound clips anywhere. Can any of you kind folks help me out?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2016 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

I'm still searching, with very little success, for the performer of "An affair to remember" as featured in the BBC's Talking Pictures series on Deborah Kerr. By chance I've just come across this link to the programme! Please, can anyone identify the orchestra playing the theme between 00:12 and 01:14?

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av3705744/

 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2016 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

I'm still searching, with very little success, for the performer of "An affair to remember" as featured in the BBC's Talking Pictures series on Deborah Kerr. By chance I've just come across this link to the programme! Please, can anyone identify the orchestra playing the theme between 00:12 and 01:14?

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av3705744/


Maybe only a puny effort, at best:

If the recording is in fact mono as it is here, then it was probably done before 1959, when LP's of non-film recordings were nearly all going stereo. Which might make sense, since AATR might not have been quite a "standard" to have been recorded much after that time (although a great Warren song, decidedly!). So that probably makes it a 1957 recording, the year of the film.

Which maybe says to me it could also be Paul Weston or any of the other popular lounge arrangers of this era.

I will say that it is not Nelson Riddle (doesn't sound like him).

I don't know British arrangers much, so I can't narrow it any more than the above.

Thanks for the link to the show!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

I'm still searching, with very little success, for the performer of "An affair to remember" as featured in the BBC's Talking Pictures series on Deborah Kerr. By chance I've just come across this link to the programme! Please, can anyone identify the orchestra playing the theme between 00:12 and 01:14?

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av3705744/


Maybe only a puny effort, at best:

If the recording is in fact mono as it is here, then it was probably done before 1959, when LP's of non-film recordings were nearly all going stereo. Which might make sense, since AATR might not have been quite a "standard" to have been recorded much after that time (although a great Warren song, decidedly!). So that probably makes it a 1957 recording, the year of the film.

Which maybe says to me it could also be Paul Weston or any of the other popular lounge arrangers of this era.

I will say that it is not Nelson Riddle (doesn't sound like him).

I don't know British arrangers much, so I can't narrow it any more than the above.

Thanks for the link to the show!


Many thanks for your response (although I think describing this version as "puny" is a little harsh!). I can't believe how difficult identifying the version is proving to be; it isn't as though "Affair" has been covered that extensively over the years. I must have been through every youtube and amazon clip without any success, but I'm wondering if it might be taken from this album (though there's no chorus on the TV clip):

https://www.discogs.com/The-Harry-Betts-Orchestra-Chorus-Love-Affair/release/8025132

Is anyone able to compare the album track with the clip, or have any other ideas? All suggestions welcomed!

 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)


Many thanks for your response (although I think describing this version as "puny" is a little harsh!). I can't believe how difficult identifying the version is proving to be; it isn't as though "Affair" has been covered that extensively over the years. I must have been through every youtube and amazon clip without any success, but I'm wondering if it might be taken from this album (though there's no chorus on the TV clip):

https://www.discogs.com/The-Harry-Betts-Orchestra-Chorus-Love-Affair/release/8025132

Is anyone able to compare the album track with the clip, or have any other ideas? All suggestions welcomed!


I meant that my answer was "puny," since it didn't get you very far along. Sorry.

I will say I have my doubts about Betts. The LP was produced in 1969 (see link below) and that arrangement doesn't have any earmarks of what I would hear as 1969. But then I don't know Betts work much at all.

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/5019847

But if you have friends who live on one of the cities listed at the above link, maybe they can listen to the library copy for you.

EDIT: I just gave it another listen. I was wrong: that Latin rhythm screams 1960's lounge music. This sounds like a job for FSM'er Onya Birri!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)


Many thanks for your response (although I think describing this version as "puny" is a little harsh!). I can't believe how difficult identifying the version is proving to be; it isn't as though "Affair" has been covered that extensively over the years. I must have been through every youtube and amazon clip without any success, but I'm wondering if it might be taken from this album (though there's no chorus on the TV clip):

https://www.discogs.com/The-Harry-Betts-Orchestra-Chorus-Love-Affair/release/8025132

Is anyone able to compare the album track with the clip, or have any other ideas? All suggestions welcomed!


I meant that my answer was "puny," since it didn't get you very far along. Sorry.

I will say I have my doubts about Betts. The LP was produced in 1969 (see link below) and that arrangement doesn't have any earmarks of what I would hear as 1969. But then I don't know Betts work much at all.

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/5019847

But if you have friends who live on one of the cities listed at the above link, maybe they can listen to the library copy for you.

EDIT: I just gave it another listen. I was wrong: that Latin rhythm screams 1960's lounge music. This sounds like a job for FSM'er Onya Birri!


Many thanks for your additional response and my apologies for misreading your reference to "puny"!

I didn't realise the Harry Betts LP was released as late as 1969, so I agree that it's unlikely to be that version. As you say, that beguine Latin arrangement screams out classic late '50s/early '60s lounge music!

I did wonder if it may be from this LP, especially as Pete King was one of the arrangers of the original film score. Does anyone have this album???

https://www.discogs.com/Pete-King-And-His-Orchestra-Music-For-The-Girl-You-Love/master/750993

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2016 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

bumped - hoping some easy listening board-er can help me!

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2016 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Could you email me, RSF? Use my screen name here, at yahoo.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2016 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

bumped - I'm sure someone out there in FSM land can help me out!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2016 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

It says iPlayer TV only available in the UK, so that eliminates all non-UK help you might be getting.

Sorry.


Well not exactly. Did anyone try to find on this side of the atlantic???

Wide-Screen Movie Hits of the 1950's by Cinema Centre Orchestra & Cinema Centra Chorus
https://itun.es/us/1fJUT

Just punched in same name here

Why not just get cd from sony? Cheaply priced and will have original and maybe variations. Maybe they used themes from this.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2016 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Bump

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2016 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Who's Orchestra?

Normally don't play grammar policeman but please take out the apostrophe and then add an "e" after the "s"! eek

On the other hand, perhaps What Orchestra? might be an alternative. smile

 
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