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 Posted:   May 10, 2014 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Can anyone identify the recording used during the intro of this BBC documentary on Deborah Kerr? It's one of my very favourite theme songs and I rather like this lush arrangement (hope the link works):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pwsns/Talking_Pictures_Episode_22/

Also, while on the subject, I came across this mp3 collection on Amazon which includes a different (more '60s arrangement?) of the theme. Can anyone recognise it (it sounds a little like Mancini) and indeed the performers of the other tracks? I doubt if Cinema Centre Orchestra is the true performer!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wide-Screen-Movie-Cinema-Centre-Orchestra/dp/B00GSKAR8G/ref=ntt_mus_dp_dpt_1

Many thanks,

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2014 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

It says iPlayer TV only available in the UK, so that eliminates all non-UK help you might be getting.

Sorry.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

It says iPlayer TV only available in the UK, so that eliminates all non-UK help you might be getting.

Sorry.


Thanks for pointing that out, and my apologies to non-UK board members who were unable to access the BBC link.

I'd really love to know who is performing this version. I think I've trawled through all the sound clips on Amazon but haven't found it yet...

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Not being able to replay makes this guesswork. There have been a number of arrangements of this song that have been lush. I think Stanley Black did it on one of his Film Spectacular recordings.

However, it might be the arrangement Marc Shaiman did for the soundtrack to "Sleepless in Seattle"...the scene where Meg Ryan is racing to the Empire State Building.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Not being able to replay makes this guesswork. There have been a number of arrangements of this song that have been lush. I think Stanley Black did it on one of his Film Spectacular recordings.

However, it might be the arrangement Marc Shaiman did for the soundtrack to "Sleepless in Seattle"...the scene where Meg Ryan is racing to the Empire State Building.


Yes, it's very frustrating knowing that the people who might be able to help me can't get to play the darn clip!

Thanks for the two suggestions, but it isn't the excerpt from SIS and I can't find a version by Stanley Black unfortunately.

The recordings it definitely ISN'T are the ones by Mantovani, Hal Mooney, Roger Williams, George Greeley, Ferrante & Teicher, Don Costa, Frank DeVol, Harry Sukman and Wayne King. Two possibilities are Pierre La Blanc and Pete King but I can't find recordings of those on the old www.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Regarding the first question.....

I can't play the BBC clip either, however YOU could tell us the title of the Deborah Kerr documentary, and YOU could tell us the copyright date of the documentary, and YOU could type out the end credits---specifically the credits relating to the behind-the-scenes production of the documentary, including editing credits, post-production credits, music credits---either composers, conductors, music editors, etc---production and releasing companies---to give us the slightest hints that we might be able to search.


As for the second link to Amazon.co.uk, I've played all the clips. This sounds like a very cheaply-recorded music compilation, possibly released (at least in the US) on one of the cheaper US labels of the 50s like Diplomat, Tops, Wing (Mercury's budget label), Lion (MGM's budget label) etc., with conductors like Valjean and Adriano.

It appears to have been recorded around 1958, possibly 1959---and these were often recorded in Europe (or beyond) to escape US musician's fees. The orchestra sounds "thin," and several of the arrangements "odd"....(the opening of the "Ten Commandments" theme has a Spanish "El Cid" kind of vibe....???).

The albums of Stanley Black, Walter Stott/Angela Morley, Johnny Douglas, and others of this musical ability were usually much higher in quality, in arrangement, conducting, and playing, than this CD reveals.

I think I may have this CD in my collection.

I will also check (as time allows), my compilation LPs from this 50s period. It will be interesting to see what anyone comes up with.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Regarding the first question.....

I can't play the BBC clip either, however YOU could tell us the title of the Deborah Kerr documentary, and YOU could tell us the copyright date of the documentary, and YOU could type out the end credits---specifically the credits relating to the behind-the-scenes production of the documentary, including editing credits, post-production credits, music credits---either composers, conductors, music editors, etc---production and releasing companies---to give us the slightest hints that we might be able to search.


As for the second link to Amazon.co.uk, I've played all the clips. This sounds like a very cheaply-recorded music compilation, possibly released (at least in the US) on one of the cheaper US labels of the 50s like Diplomat, Tops, Wing (Mercury's budget label), Lion (MGM's budget label) etc., with conductors like Valjean and Adriano.

It appears to have been recorded around 1958, possibly 1959---and these were often recorded in Europe (or beyond) to escape US musician's fees. The orchestra sounds "thin," and several of the arrangements "odd"....(the opening of the "Ten Commandments" theme has a Spanish "El Cid" kind of vibe....???).

The albums of Stanley Black, Walter Stott/Angela Morley, Johnny Douglas, and others of this musical ability were usually much higher in quality, in arrangement, conducting, and playing, than this CD reveals.

I think I may have this CD in my collection.

I will also check (as time allows), my compilation LPs from this 50s period. It will be interesting to see what anyone comes up with.


There's not much to tell about the Deborah Kerr programme that will help identify the music. It's a compilation of three interviews with the actress made for the BBC over several decades. The Affair to Remember excerpt is used under the spoken introduction and is only heard for about 30 seconds! It's a lovely arrangement and sounds a little like Percy Faith but I don't think he recorded it with his orchestra (I know he accompanied Vic Damone's hit single but this isn't it).

I'm sure you're right about the Amazon clips being taken from a budget LP of the late '50s as they are an odd bunch aren't they! But in very clear stereo at least. The Ten Commandments is definitely the odd one out, particularly as the love theme wasn't recorded very often, which makes its provenance even more tantalising (maybe). The vocal version of ATR sounds very Mancini-ish to me but did he ever make a recording of this theme?

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Here's a question for you...since it's BBC: Is it possible John Wilson performed that piece in one of his concerts for proms? BBC may have used that.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2014 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Well, I emailed the BBC about this and they're telling me it's the Roger Williams recording - but it most certainly isn't! His recording is much slower and, of course, more piano-led than the recording used in the TV programme.

The version I would like to have identified has a beguine-type arrangement (with a very Percy Faith-type intro for woodwind). I am wondering if it's the Pete King version from his Liberty "Music For The Girl You Love" album, but I can't find any sound clips anywhere. Can any of you kind folks help me out?

 
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