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It says iPlayer TV only available in the UK, so that eliminates all non-UK help you might be getting.
Sorry.
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May 15, 2014 - 6:22 PM
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roadshowfan
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Not being able to replay makes this guesswork. There have been a number of arrangements of this song that have been lush. I think Stanley Black did it on one of his Film Spectacular recordings.
However, it might be the arrangement Marc Shaiman did for the soundtrack to "Sleepless in Seattle"...the scene where Meg Ryan is racing to the Empire State Building.
Yes, it's very frustrating knowing that the people who might be able to help me can't get to play the darn clip!
Thanks for the two suggestions, but it isn't the excerpt from SIS and I can't find a version by Stanley Black unfortunately.
The recordings it definitely ISN'T are the ones by Mantovani, Hal Mooney, Roger Williams, George Greeley, Ferrante & Teicher, Don Costa, Frank DeVol, Harry Sukman and Wayne King. Two possibilities are Pierre La Blanc and Pete King but I can't find recordings of those on the old www.
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May 15, 2014 - 6:56 PM
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Regarding the first question.....
I can't play the BBC clip either, however YOU could tell us the title of the Deborah Kerr documentary, and YOU could tell us the copyright date of the documentary, and YOU could type out the end credits---specifically the credits relating to the behind-the-scenes production of the documentary, including editing credits, post-production credits, music credits---either composers, conductors, music editors, etc---production and releasing companies---to give us the slightest hints that we might be able to search.
As for the second link to Amazon.co.uk, I've played all the clips. This sounds like a very cheaply-recorded music compilation, possibly released (at least in the US) on one of the cheaper US labels of the 50s like Diplomat, Tops, Wing (Mercury's budget label), Lion (MGM's budget label) etc., with conductors like Valjean and Adriano.
It appears to have been recorded around 1958, possibly 1959---and these were often recorded in Europe (or beyond) to escape US musician's fees. The orchestra sounds "thin," and several of the arrangements "odd"....(the opening of the "Ten Commandments" theme has a Spanish "El Cid" kind of vibe....???).
The albums of Stanley Black, Walter Stott/Angela Morley, Johnny Douglas, and others of this musical ability were usually much higher in quality, in arrangement, conducting, and playing, than this CD reveals.
I think I may have this CD in my collection.
I will also check (as time allows), my compilation LPs from this 50s period. It will be interesting to see what anyone comes up with.
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May 15, 2014 - 7:40 PM
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roadshowfan
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Regarding the first question.....
I can't play the BBC clip either, however YOU could tell us the title of the Deborah Kerr documentary, and YOU could tell us the copyright date of the documentary, and YOU could type out the end credits---specifically the credits relating to the behind-the-scenes production of the documentary, including editing credits, post-production credits, music credits---either composers, conductors, music editors, etc---production and releasing companies---to give us the slightest hints that we might be able to search.
As for the second link to Amazon.co.uk, I've played all the clips. This sounds like a very cheaply-recorded music compilation, possibly released (at least in the US) on one of the cheaper US labels of the 50s like Diplomat, Tops, Wing (Mercury's budget label), Lion (MGM's budget label) etc., with conductors like Valjean and Adriano.
It appears to have been recorded around 1958, possibly 1959---and these were often recorded in Europe (or beyond) to escape US musician's fees. The orchestra sounds "thin," and several of the arrangements "odd"....(the opening of the "Ten Commandments" theme has a Spanish "El Cid" kind of vibe....???).
The albums of Stanley Black, Walter Stott/Angela Morley, Johnny Douglas, and others of this musical ability were usually much higher in quality, in arrangement, conducting, and playing, than this CD reveals.
I think I may have this CD in my collection.
I will also check (as time allows), my compilation LPs from this 50s period. It will be interesting to see what anyone comes up with.
There's not much to tell about the Deborah Kerr programme that will help identify the music. It's a compilation of three interviews with the actress made for the BBC over several decades. The Affair to Remember excerpt is used under the spoken introduction and is only heard for about 30 seconds! It's a lovely arrangement and sounds a little like Percy Faith but I don't think he recorded it with his orchestra (I know he accompanied Vic Damone's hit single but this isn't it).
I'm sure you're right about the Amazon clips being taken from a budget LP of the late '50s as they are an odd bunch aren't they! But in very clear stereo at least. The Ten Commandments is definitely the odd one out, particularly as the love theme wasn't recorded very often, which makes its provenance even more tantalising (maybe). The vocal version of ATR sounds very Mancini-ish to me but did he ever make a recording of this theme?
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I'm still searching, with very little success, for the performer of "An affair to remember" as featured in the BBC's Talking Pictures series on Deborah Kerr. By chance I've just come across this link to the programme! Please, can anyone identify the orchestra playing the theme between 00:12 and 01:14?
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av3705744/
Maybe only a puny effort, at best:
If the recording is in fact mono as it is here, then it was probably done before 1959, when LP's of non-film recordings were nearly all going stereo. Which might make sense, since AATR might not have been quite a "standard" to have been recorded much after that time (although a great Warren song, decidedly!). So that probably makes it a 1957 recording, the year of the film.
Which maybe says to me it could also be Paul Weston or any of the other popular lounge arrangers of this era.
I will say that it is not Nelson Riddle (doesn't sound like him).
I don't know British arrangers much, so I can't narrow it any more than the above.
Thanks for the link to the show!
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Mar 12, 2016 - 4:40 AM
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roadshowfan
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I'm still searching, with very little success, for the performer of "An affair to remember" as featured in the BBC's Talking Pictures series on Deborah Kerr. By chance I've just come across this link to the programme! Please, can anyone identify the orchestra playing the theme between 00:12 and 01:14?
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av3705744/
Maybe only a puny effort, at best:
If the recording is in fact mono as it is here, then it was probably done before 1959, when LP's of non-film recordings were nearly all going stereo. Which might make sense, since AATR might not have been quite a "standard" to have been recorded much after that time (although a great Warren song, decidedly!). So that probably makes it a 1957 recording, the year of the film.
Which maybe says to me it could also be Paul Weston or any of the other popular lounge arrangers of this era.
I will say that it is not Nelson Riddle (doesn't sound like him).
I don't know British arrangers much, so I can't narrow it any more than the above.
Thanks for the link to the show!
Many thanks for your response (although I think describing this version as "puny" is a little harsh!). I can't believe how difficult identifying the version is proving to be; it isn't as though "Affair" has been covered that extensively over the years. I must have been through every youtube and amazon clip without any success, but I'm wondering if it might be taken from this album (though there's no chorus on the TV clip):
https://www.discogs.com/The-Harry-Betts-Orchestra-Chorus-Love-Affair/release/8025132
Is anyone able to compare the album track with the clip, or have any other ideas? All suggestions welcomed!
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Many thanks for your response (although I think describing this version as "puny" is a little harsh!). I can't believe how difficult identifying the version is proving to be; it isn't as though "Affair" has been covered that extensively over the years. I must have been through every youtube and amazon clip without any success, but I'm wondering if it might be taken from this album (though there's no chorus on the TV clip):
https://www.discogs.com/The-Harry-Betts-Orchestra-Chorus-Love-Affair/release/8025132
Is anyone able to compare the album track with the clip, or have any other ideas? All suggestions welcomed!
I meant that my answer was "puny," since it didn't get you very far along. Sorry.
I will say I have my doubts about Betts. The LP was produced in 1969 (see link below) and that arrangement doesn't have any earmarks of what I would hear as 1969. But then I don't know Betts work much at all.
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/5019847
But if you have friends who live on one of the cities listed at the above link, maybe they can listen to the library copy for you.
EDIT: I just gave it another listen. I was wrong: that Latin rhythm screams 1960's lounge music. This sounds like a job for FSM'er Onya Birri!
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Could you email me, RSF? Use my screen name here, at yahoo.
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