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 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

It's also better not to muck up the top of your CDs with labels...or even permanent markers. "The moment you start to write on that top layer, you're setting yourself up for degradation"

What is the proper way to label CD-Rs then?

I use markers. Just write softly. Don't press down hard on the disc surface.

Ok, thats what I do. Soft tip sharpie.

 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

CDs are 40 year old technology.
A CD is just a method of storing digital information.
At the time they were introduced, vinyl collectors didn't exactly welcome them.
CDs will eventually go the way of the eight track tape.
Some people will hold onto their CDs until they die and a new generation will probably rediscover them after they are obsolete.
The article is only about preserving the data on them and finding out what the real life span of a CD is.

If you feel threatened by the thought that the collection of CDs that you spent so much time and money on is going to be dust someday. just let it go.
As you age your hearing will deteriorate and you will cease to care about them. New technology will replace them and life will go on.

Enjoy them while you can.

 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

The one pressed disc I've ever had a problem with was the the Welles Raises Kane/Obsession combo, which is infamous. All of the others play just fine. And i have thousands.

I have this disc and, fortunately, it still plays fine. Nevertheless I have ripped it lossless into iTunes. It will have to last until we see the long-wished-for OBSESSION expanded release!

Although not directly related to this thread, digital cinema is already experiencing archival problems. According to the Motion Picture Academy, digital motion picture elements have been known to become unusable and unrecoverable after only 18 months, even when stored under optimal conditions. To combat this, some filmmakers are archiving the images to film! At least they know such elements can last 100 years or more.

 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

CDs are 40 year old technology.
A CD is just a method of storing digital information.
At the time they were introduced, vinyl collectors didn't exactly welcome them.
CDs will eventually go the way of the eight track tape.

More like 30 years old, in the UK we got them in 1984
Everyone I knew welcomed them, LP's were rubbish by then, they came with inbuilt crackle.
Everything will go the way of the eight track tape.

 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Based upon what I know, I have to say (based upon some comments in this thread):
LP's, 8-track, cups and a strings ;-), all went the way of the dodo simply because they were never great -- but they were the best, especially for a price consumers could afford, that technology had to ffer at the time. Plus, LP's were large and took up far, far more space; even though a CD itself takes up space, it's nowhere near in comparrison, especially since must people don't buy hundreds and thousands of CD's like say, us.

While CD's have their draw backs, namely scratching and storage capacity, they really were a jewel of technology. Sure you can get better sound from different kinds (SACD, so forth), but consumers have shown they either don't care or the price is too much (which can include sounds systems that get the most out of better sounding specialty CD's). And CD's still ahve a number of advantages, for example booklets that can be signed and resale value.

The problem isn't necessarily that CD's have died, the way I see it, but rather two factors: certain companies pushing them out for downloads, and a generation of throw away consumers, i.e., consumers that don't see value in what they have and don't care if it's lesser quality, gets damaged, lost, destroyed, stolen. But hey, Justin Beiber is throw away worthy. When certain companies, say Apple, say "jump", the market fucking jumps, and it's jumping like a mother shampooer over downloads and products that cater to downloads, like iPods. And generation throw away is more than happy to plunk down for an iThingy. Then the rest of the market moves in conjuction; online retailers offer more and more downloads, stores start divesting themselves of, or completely removing themselves of, CD's Five or so years ago, there was a large CD section in Wal-Mart. Go there today and it's nearly gone, if not totally gone (depending upon location). Just like online movie providers pushed Blockbuster video and other video rental outlets, to the way side.

The CD wasn't ready to die yet. It wasn't obselete yet. And even if they go bye-bye like LP's, there will still be a niche market, like say for score fans.

And as for CD rot, it is indeed real. We have thread(s) on CD bronzing, and you know most score fans here aren't necessarily putting their CD's in car visors like it was Britany Spears' Greatest Hits. Yes, we were told CD's would last a long time, but we really had no way to be sure (since, by the way, none of us will bu ya CD and then live one hundred years thereafter). Just because most CD's are okay, does not mean others are so. Not every company makes their CD's with the same quality standards or material; it's not like there is (at least, not yet, but now I've given them the idea...) a government agency task force to make sure there are governmental industry standards for CD making, regulations, and enforcement thereof. Just like CD-R's -- some are good and last a long while, while others are so cheap it feels like touching them can break them or damage the recording surface. Every few years I go through the CD-R's and if any are bronzing or don't play well, I rip them and burn anew.

Oh, and how to mark your CD-R's without degrading them? Well, I simply don't mark the CD-R's at all anymore. I mark the paper sleeve or jewel case.

 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

"CD players have long since given up on most of the burned mixes I made in college."

That's because they are on CD-Rs. That's got nothing to do with how long pressed CDs will last.

(I have precisely ONE bought, pressed CD - out of thousands - that stopped working, and that is the "Ultimate Edition" of STAR WARS EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE, though I believe that was due to the material used in the digipak in the European release reacting with the CD, so it's very much a rare case.)

(Saying that, my DVD of SEVEN DAYS IN MAY also stopped working. Not sure why.)

Maybe the CD merely rejected that music...

To Great Escape: I actually laughed at your reply to this post.

The Phantom Menace is better in its intended format not the complete hack job as it's presented on the so called "Ultimate Edition".

I think if people take care of CDs properly then they'll last a long time but ya I think older CDs tend not to do so good after time. However, newer CDs today might last longer.

 Posted:   May 15, 2014 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

When people collected 78rpm records they had no idea that cassette tapes were coming in the not so distant future. Not to mention CDs.
CD players are disappearing and with them CDs.
We have no idea how music will be stored and played back 100 years from now.

Enjoy them now because in a 100 years, only the Library Of Congress will be trying to retrieve the data from them.

 Posted:   May 16, 2014 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   eeyore101059   (Member)

Just to be sure, we should send them every single Justin Bieber CD in the world. Hilarious !!!

 Posted:   May 16, 2014 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Just to be sure, we should send them every single Justin Bieber CD in the world. Hilarious !!!

Why don't we send them Justin Bieber himself while we're at it?

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