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 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I apologize for lack of memory, however Blue`s News featured a link to a story about rumours that the Disney crew in charge of all things SW has made it known that they do not consider the prequel trilogy canon. If true, to my mind that means they wish to be free to tell better tales, due respect to McGregor, Neeson, Park, etc. (!).

If Lawrence Kasdan is free to ignore prequel stuff, that has to be the best Star Wars news I have heard in a while. Perhaps 'we' aren`t the only ones who wish to get back to the proper tone & level of the originals.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Sorry Warlock, what they have said is that stories and characters in the SW Expanded Universe (novels, comic books etc) are not canon, not the prequels.

Personally I try hard to exorcise all memories of the SW prequels from my mind. Well, ok maybe not that white costume Natalie Portman wore towards the end of AOTC but apart from that.......

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Anyone whos saying the Prequels are non-canon are liars and possibly idiots. Like them or not, they're here to stay. (That said, the writers can choose to write *around* them - and quite easily! Episode III ends, what, 20+ years before episode IV and episode VII starts 30 years after episode VI? Thats half a century!)

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Hey Lehah,

I hope you`re wrong and I`m correct! I am fairly certain I read specific mention of the prequels. Further context placed them in the family of the books etc. . Lemme re-goober that damn link.

EDIT: BLAAAHHH! Now I can`t find that story! Could have been a link off a link. Damn it.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Nope.

"According to Lucasfilm's press release on this change, the following content falls under the new unified canon:

Star Wars Episodes I-VI

Star Wars: The Clone Wars

Star Wars Rebels (forthcoming)"

http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I think the rumor is bogus. If that were to be the case, it would have been part of the big announcement last month about the removal of the EU from official canon. They were very specific that all six episodes will remain canon, as will The Clone Wars series. Everything else released prior to that date is "Legends," and everything released in the future will be canon.

They can definitely write around it - and surely none of the upcoming media will dwell in that time period based on what's been announced or rumored thus far - but I think The Clone Wars series, and specifically seasons 4-6, shows that there is good, entertaining, Star Wars-y material that can be mined out of that time period.

And along with that, toys, books, comics, video games to be sold. The merchandising machine marches on!


EDIT - LeHah - this is the rumor that the OP is talking about. But it's clearly some fanwank's wishful thinking, which spread far and wide.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/15/new-star-wars-rumors-include-original-trilogy-re-release-on-blu-rayvod-and-more/

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Okay... not the original source which is unfortunate... a study of the precise wording would be helpful. BUT, here is a link in which the prequels *are* mentioned in the light in which I describe.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/15/new-star-wars-rumors-include-original-trilogy-re-release-on-blu-rayvod-and-more/

This article categorizes that possibility in a more doubtful light than the original which I cannot (!) find.

There is hope.

EDIT: Mstrox, you beat me to it. Still curse my memory, though.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Though releasing the original edits of the films would be most welcome (and business savvy), George Lucas is now one of the biggest shareholders at Disney after they bought out Lucasfilm and its subsidiaries. He likely doesn't want to put out the original edits for his own reason and Disney likely wants to keep him happy.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I, personally, like the prequels, but even if I didn't, I wouldn't want them to ignore them. I'm a sucker for continuity in franchises (whenever possible). Glad to see they keep them as 'canon'.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2014 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I, personally, like the prequels, but even if I didn't, I wouldn't want them to ignore them. I'm a sucker for continuity in franchises (whenever possible). Glad to see they keep them as 'canon'.

Agreed.

What would be the point of pretending three entire films don't exist, no matter how much some people despised them? I hadn't heard they were planning on focusing storylines for the new movies on Jar Jar (or Qui-Gon's spirit) anyway. It sounds like, for the live-action movies at least, they're going the Luke/Leia/Han-era onward route, so those people who disliked the prequels have nothing to worry about in that regard.

I hope it's just a rumor, whether we're just talking about the upcoming "Episode" films, or all things 'Star Wars' coming from Disney/Lucasfilm....

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Continuity.

Shall we continue poor choices, and poor theater?

(grin)

The point of ignoring the prequels is that THEY SUCK. (smiley face guy, on a forum board where you cannot post them) Were I making the new films, I would allude to a superior but unfilmed version of pre-New Hope events that supported better storytelling. Unfettered, we could get on with things.

I might even mention Qui-gon, Darth Maul, and the Droid Armies, because *those* were cool. But not much else.

Back to the point, I might hope that if not overtly stated, the participants are all in tacit agreement about said prequels: 'lets do something better' being the good and holy mantra.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 2:29 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, as I said -- I actually like the prequels (although there are some warts here and there too). But yeah, I do hope the upcoming films will be as good as possible. I have trust in Abrams' sensibilities. If they refer to anything in the prequels, great! If not, that's OK too, as long as it doesn't go against anything in the storyline there.

Just because you didn't like the films, or rather the way the story was filmed, doesn't mean the story in itself is useless.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 2:43 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Well, as I said -- I actually like the prequels (although there are some warts here and there too). But yeah, I do hope the upcoming films will be as good as possible. I have trust in Abrams' sensibilities. If they refer to anything in the prequels, great! If not, that's OK too, as long as it doesn't go against anything in the storyline there.

Just because you didn't like the films, or rather the way the story was filmed, doesn't mean the story in itself is useless.


Hello at this unGodly hour.

My apologies to those who enjoyed our subjects of discussion. I must admit I too enjoyed *elements* and moments in them: Fett vs. Obi-wan on the clone world, all Neeson & McGregor stuff, Maul (of course... greatest thug villain in history), Lee and McGregor discussing the politics of the situation, Sidious dictating to the Trade Federation, Grievous.

On the other hand, note to Abrams and Kasdan - feel free to ignore midichlorians, idiot cheap-laugh goof-offs who become responsible for the ascendance of tyrants to Emperor, remarkable coincidences, Tatooine, familiar adventuring droids (see coincidences, previous), every Sith wielding lightning, nonsensical gratuitous cameos, and impersonal directives to slay the Jedi Order in direct contradiction to one of the greatest tales ever told about how Vader betrayed them and hunted them down, one by one. Thanks.

(tyrannical Darth Smiley face)

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

I, personally, like the prequels, but even if I didn't, I wouldn't want them to ignore them. I'm a sucker for continuity in franchises (whenever possible).

Continuity in "Star Wars"? That's a good one.

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I, personally, like the prequels, but even if I didn't, I wouldn't want them to ignore them. I'm a sucker for continuity in franchises (whenever possible).

Continuity in "Star Wars"? That's a good one.

Dan


Isn't there? What are the plot holes?

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

I just wanna see an Odd Couple type spin-off starring these two:



"Shoot her! Or...something!"

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

My apologies to those who enjoyed our subjects of discussion. I must admit I too enjoyed *elements* and moments in them: Fett vs. Obi-wan on the clone world, all Neeson & McGregor stuff, Maul (of course... greatest thug villain in history), Lee and McGregor discussing the politics of the situation, Sidious dictating to the Trade Federation, Grievous.

On the other hand, note to Abrams and Kasdan - feel free to ignore midichlorians, idiot cheap-laugh goof-offs who become responsible for the ascendance of tyrants to Emperor, remarkable coincidences, Tatooine, familiar adventuring droids (see coincidences, previous), every Sith wielding lightning, nonsensical gratuitous cameos, and impersonal directives to slay the Jedi Order in direct contradiction to one of the greatest tales ever told about how Vader betrayed them and hunted them down, one by one. Thanks.

(tyrannical Darth Smiley face)


I feel like the movies could have benefitted from a major villain who was present and active through the trilogy . As it was, Darth Maul was killed after basically three scenes (and as many lines), and then there was basically no villain at all until Dooku is revealed 3/4 of the way through the next movie. He is then killed ~15 minutes into the third movie, right around the part General Grievous is introduced and killed 1/4 of a movie later. I know that there is an overarching villain in the Emperor, but he didn't really do anything villainous besides pop up a handful of times and act menacing - until halfway through the last movie.

Without a central drive, an us vs. them narrative, the trilogy was really kind of aimless IMO. I liked an awful lot of the stuff in the movies well enough, but it's hard for me to call the movies good as a whole.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

My apologies to those who enjoyed our subjects of discussion. I must admit I too enjoyed *elements* and moments in them: Fett vs. Obi-wan on the clone world, all Neeson & McGregor stuff, Maul (of course... greatest thug villain in history), Lee and McGregor discussing the politics of the situation, Sidious dictating to the Trade Federation, Grievous.

On the other hand, note to Abrams and Kasdan - feel free to ignore midichlorians, idiot cheap-laugh goof-offs who become responsible for the ascendance of tyrants to Emperor, remarkable coincidences, Tatooine, familiar adventuring droids (see coincidences, previous), every Sith wielding lightning, nonsensical gratuitous cameos, and impersonal directives to slay the Jedi Order in direct contradiction to one of the greatest tales ever told about how Vader betrayed them and hunted them down, one by one. Thanks.

(tyrannical Darth Smiley face)


I feel like the movies could have benefitted from a major villain who was present and active through the trilogy . As it was, Darth Maul was killed after basically three scenes (and as many lines), and then there was basically no villain at all until Dooku is revealed 3/4 of the way through the next movie. He is then killed ~15 minutes into the third movie, right around the part General Grievous is introduced and killed 1/4 of a movie later. I know that there is an overarching villain in the Emperor, but he didn't really do anything villainous besides pop up a handful of times and act menacing - until halfway through the last movie.

Without a central drive, an us vs. them narrative, the trilogy was really kind of aimless IMO. I liked an awful lot of the stuff in the movies well enough, but it's hard for me to call the movies good as a whole.


One of the clever aspects of the prequel trilogy and its villains is that they each represent an aspect of Anakin's character. Darth Maul represents his anger, Darth Tyrannus represents the fallen Jedi and General Grevious is the soon-to-be mechanical side of his being. I actually love the shifting roster of villains in the trilogy, especially Grevious. The narrative in the prequels is murkier and more complex than in the original trilogy, which is why a singular villain, other than Palpatine, may not have worked. It's not as clear cut and I love that aspect as well.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Also, just to add my 2 cents... it was indeed announced from Lucasfilm that official canon is the first 6 STAR WARS films and THE CLONE WARS TV series. Period, end of story, no amount of bitching by whiny older fanboys will make a difference. Listen, the new Episode VII looks to be enough of a 70's nostalgia trip that should hopefully satisfy that older fan demographic, but just because some of them may not like the prequels doesn't mean they should be erased from existence. I am an old-school fan in my 40's who really likes the prequels and CLONE WARS TV series and am glad they continue to be part of the saga.

I see this attitude from the older fans (in other franchises as well) that just because they don't like a specific installment or aspect of their favorite series, then it should vanish and be enjoyed by no one. It's essentially a temper tantrum. Specifically with STAR WARS, there is an entire younger generation of fans who were brought into the fold through the prequel era and it matters to them. Therefore it matters to the franchise, to Lucasfilm and to Disney. It's not going to be whisked away because some of the over-40 demo crowd didn't dig it. Many fans did, however, so it's all here to stay.

Art is always subjective. What doesn't work for you, might work for me and that's valid. If I connected to the prequels but some fans didn't doesn't mean that the latter group gets to decide whether the movies are valid or not.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2014 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Dear Tom Servo:

Lucasfilm is no longer "Luscasfilm". It all belongs to Disney now

Just so's ya know!

Me

 
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