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 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I think ours is the first book on the franchise authorized by Fox, although I'd have to dig up my copies of the other books to confirm that...

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2014 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I think ours is the first book on the franchise authorized by Fox, although I'd have to dig up my copies of the other books to confirm that...

Yes, it is, and one of the problems with Russo's book is he wasn't allowed by Fox to use many photos, most in fact, and most of which Russo has had in his personal collection for over thirty years. I know Joe Russo, and I know he and his co-author, Larry Landsman, were planning an updated version of their book, but now with the competition from a Fox-authorized book such as this, I don't know. I haven't yet bothered to call Russo and ask if he knows of this new book, only because I absolutely expect his reaction will be "damn them all to hell!"

Anyway, I hope Fox has given you guys full access to their photo archive, as seeing photos that I've never seen before is the biggest draw for a book like this, especially behind-the-scenes photos and especially ones from the classic '68 original. Cinefex did a great article years ago on the John Chambers makeup. I hope most of that info will be included. I'm really hoping your book will be something great. Can't wait for it. Amazon is now saying that this book won't be released until October 14, 2014. Wish it was sooner.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2014 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

...another thing about the Russo book: I actually wrote some of it. Any time you read about the music in any of the films that is material I wrote. Ed Gross, who was a contributor to the book, approached me to write some material about the music in the Apes films for the project. Now my memory is fuzzy about what the agreement was--I don't think I was paid anything, and over the years I forgot all about it. And knowing of the Russo book, I did not want to read it until we had finished our chapters for the new book because I didn't want to be influenced by it. But after we'd turned in our material I looked at the Russo book out of curiosity (it's quite good). I was a little stunned to be reading through a chapter and suddenly recognize that I had written some of it. I get a thank you in the book for my "expertise on the music of the Apes films" or words to that effect, but there's no mention of me having actually written any of the material in the book and I'm not quoted directly as a source.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2014 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Yes, there were many contributors to the POTA Revisited book, mostly because it was long in gestation. Back in the '80s and most of the '90s there was very little interest in APES, especially among potential publishers. It took twenty years to get it printed, and in the end, you'll be interested in knowing, no one made any money on it. Russo remains more than a little bitter about it, to put it mildly. He announced plans for an updated version of his book in a POTA online forum months ago, but with it still not being authorized by Fox, I'm not sure in the face of the authorized Bond/Fordham book he'll actually go forward with it. (In fact, I'm not sure he's even aware of the new book.) Fox is now, I would assume, at a point where it expects the APES fanbase to expand, but how much of an audience is there for several books about the franchise?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2014 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Yes, there were many contributors to the POTA Revisited book, mostly because it was long in gestation. Back in the '80s and most of the '90s there was very little interest in APES, especially among potential publishers. It took twenty years to get it printed, and in the end, you'll be interested in knowing, no one made any money on it. Russo remains more than a little bitter about it, to put it mildly. He announced plans for an updated version of his book in a POTA online forum months ago, but with it still not being authorized by Fox, I'm not sure in the face of the authorized Bond/Fordham book he'll actually go forward with it. (In fact, I'm not sure he's even aware of the new book.) Fox is now, I would assume, at a point where it expects the APES fanbase to expand, but how much of an audience is there for several books about the franchise?


That's a shame. Russo's book isn't exactly a "making of" book but is one of the very best making-of's around. Endlessly fascinating and one of those books I go back to re-read or leaf through on lazy days. Just a fabulous book and it belongs in the library of any science fiction fan.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2014 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

When you break down the actual man-hours worked and figure out how much you make per hour, I'd be surprised if anyone makes any money off a non-fiction book. smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2014 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I used to really enjoy the Marvel Comics entries into the Apes mythos. I was especially fond of the issues containing artwork by Mike Ploog.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2014 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

JB: Re: When you break down the actual man-hours worked and figure out how much you make per hour, I'd be surprised if anyone makes any money off a non-fiction book. smile

It's a rarity. When I retired at the end of March 2013 I had planned to finance an eBook of my rather racy non-fiction memoir, excerpts of which I had read to enthusiastic reactions by fellow writers in a couple of workshops as well as passages read to a packed theatre in Santa Monica. But, except when I sent out a sampler of it 10 years ago (with dreams of turning it into a hardcover book), I've long accepted that it would probably be my own vanity project, which doesn't bother me. Like so many who post here, it gives me pleasure to be read, even if I have to pay for it myself. But in YOUR case, presumably having to support yourself with non-fiction writing, today's market (or lack there of!) must be quite frustrating.

 
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