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 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

According to Facebook : "The case of the rejected score is a quite unusual case in french cinema history and both scores are from two very famous composers."

Could it be DEUX HOMMES DANS LA VILLE from 1973?
Rejected score by Francois de Roubaix and replacement score by Philippe Sarde. Apparently, the Roubaix score had even been recorded before it was rejected by Alain Delon, one of the stars of the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

my quick list -- anybody, feel free to correct me if I get French films wrong (assuming the title is not on my rejected scores site):
1960
THE DAY THEY ROBBED THE BANK OF ENGLAND -- ?????. [Edwin Astley.]
LE PILLOLE DI ERCOLE -- Ennio Morricone. [Armando Trovajoli]
SURPRISE PACKAGE -- Benjamin Frankel. [Kenneth V. Jones, Benjamin Frankel (leftovers).]

1966
MATCHLESS -- Piero Piccioni. [Ennio Morricone, Gino Marinuzzi, Jr.]

1970
THE RED CIRCLE / Le Cercle Rouge -- Michel Legrand. [Eric Demarsan.]

THE RED CIRCLE (LE CERCLE ROUGE) has already been released on Lerouge's Universal CDs - the Legrand score as well as the Demarsan one.
LE PILLOLE DI ERCOLE, by the way, is not a French, but an Italian movie. So this has nothing to do with the clue here at all.
Morricone's MATCHLESS is also available on CD and is also an Italian movie.

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

Could it be DEUX HOMMES DANS LA VILLE from 1973?
Rejected score by Francois de Roubaix and replacement score by Philippe Sarde. Apparently, the Roubaix score had even been recorded before it was rejected by Alain Delon, one of the stars of the film.


Very convincing : i think you've got it!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   morrifan   (Member)


So it's certainly not one of the French Bacalov scores from the early 80s, but I suppose it will be Piccioni's LE TÉMOIN from 1978 which was directed by Jean-Pierre Mocky. The score is owned by General Music where it was also available as digital download a few years ago.
And the Italian Alberto Sordi is one of the two leading actors - the other one is Philippe Noiret.


It must be "Le Témoin"

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

DEUX HOMMES DANS LA VILLE makes sense to me. I'd be very happy to discover some new (old) Sarde!

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Filmscoremonty   (Member)

"- A release of a famous Italian composer for a French film. "
but it could be Bacalov, Cipriani, etc....


Music Box has added two more clues on their Facebook website about this CD:
1) The composer is not Morricone
2) One of the actors is also of Italian origin



Perhaps JENATSCH by Pino Donaggio smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

de Roubaix, Sarde and Piccioni would be wonderful!

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)


Clues suck but i hope all this will eventually turn into a very nice surprise, especially regarding the rejected score.


Hope these will be out before August, when France closes for vacation.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2014 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

"- A release of a famous Italian composer for a French film. "
but it could be Bacalov, Cipriani, etc....


Music Box has added two more clues on their Facebook website about this CD:
1) The composer is not Morricone
2) One of the actors is also of Italian origin

So it's certainly not one of the French Bacalov scores from the early 80s, but I suppose it will be Piccioni's LE TÉMOIN from 1978 which was directed by Jean-Pierre Mocky. The score is owned by General Music where it was also available as digital download a few years ago.
And the Italian Alberto Sordi is one of the two leading actors - the other one is Philippe Noiret.


One of the actors in THE BIG BLUE is of Italian origin. Sergio Castellitto.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 12:49 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Henry: Re: How about Conti's THE BIG BLUE?

Well, Conti's score wasn't rejected. He wrote his (far better in my opinion!!!) soundtrack for the American release of the film, and I was sooooooooooooooo disappointed that the DVD included just Sarde's original, which, in my estimation, made the film far less enjoyable. A very generous member here sent me the never released Conti soundtrack. Want a sample via email?

But I see now that you added the info about Conti's score yourself in a follow-up.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

Well, Conti's score wasn't rejected. He wrote his (far better in my opinion!!!) soundtrack for the American release of the film, and I was sooooooooooooooo disappointed that the DVD included just Sarde's original, which, in my estimation, made the film far less enjoyable.

Wow! So there has been a third composer actually involved in that movie?

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 12:59 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Did I get the composer (who I've banished from my memory) wrong? Gotta check my DVD. Oooops! Erich Serra! I KNEW "Sarde" didn't sound right!

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 1:00 AM   
 By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

Did I get the composer (who I've banished from my memory) wrong? Gotta check my DVD.

It's actually Eric Serra.

Edit : didn't see you answered yourself the question.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 1:01 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Anabel:

You and I were simultaneously typing Serra!

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

Anabel:
You and I were simultaneously typing Serra!



So one fine day we could perform the song on stage :

Que Serra Serra...

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

When I was just a little girl, I asked my mother, what will I be.... Will I be pretty, will I be rich, here's what she said to me ... que sera, sera, what will be will be.... the future's not ours to see ... que sera, sera! I just googled it -- have I gone too far with this?

"Que Sera, Sera"

When I was just a little girl
I asked my mother
What will I be
Will I be pretty
Will I be rich
Here's what she said to me

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be

When I grew up and fell in love
I asked my sweetheart
What lies ahead
Will we have rainbows
Day after day
Here's what my sweetheart said

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be

Now I have children of my own
They ask their mother
What will I be
Will I be handsome
Will I be rich
I tell them tenderly

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be
Que sera, sera

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

THE RED CIRCLE (LE CERCLE ROUGE) has already been released on Lerouge's Universal CDs - the Legrand score as well as the Demarsan one.

The Le Cinema De Michel Legrand set only contains one cue, unless another set has been released since that I missed and it had more score.

Morricone's MATCHLESS is also available on CD and is also an Italian movie.

Not Piero Piccioni's score, and not Morricone's in complete remastered sound -- that can always be made better.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Three tracks from Legrand's rejected score for LE CERCLE ROUGE were on the Jean-Pierre Melville compilation from Universal a few years ago.
Even more as you can see here on the Legrand Anthology 15 CD box from last year (on CD 13):
http://musique.fnac.com/a6454676/Michel-Legrand-Anthology-Coffret-15-CD-CD-album#st=michel%20legrand%20anthology&ct=Musique&t=p

I am not sure at all if Piccioni contributed to MATCHLESS - probably not.
Just read what Morricone had to say about Piccioni's contribution to MATCHLESS:

"In 1982 the monthly publication Quaderno 13, Circuito Cinema series, Ermanno Camuzio wrote that the tracks had been composed four hands by Ennio Morricone and Piero Piccioni.
Later the municipality of Venice, the publisher of the series CIRCUIT CINEMA, published a new Quaderno 13 [1] with the additions and corrections desired by Ennio Morricone in the chapter titled "Response and motivation to the choices of Quaderno 13" by Ennio Morricone (p.4-5). Specifically, with regards to MATCHLESS, E. Morricone declared: "Piero Piccioni non c'entra affatto" (Piero Piccioni has to do nothing at all with it)."

Besides, the music publisher for MATCHLESS in Italy is Radiofilmusica (= Laurentiis) and Music Box has nothing to do with them at all.

 
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