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 Posted:   Jul 3, 2014 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA and Moonraker is also supposed to be MIA.

When Perseverance rereleased Red Sonja it was also mentioned that the original tapes are MIA. There were also mentions that Alien 3 is supposedly MIA.

We also know that Fright Night and Friday the 13th 1-5 were MIA and their releases used film stems (with better results in the Friday the 13th case, as the scores seemed to have been less altered during dubbing stage. Other known cases are the Satan Bug action tracks and the electronics of Damnation Alley. There's some controversy in the case of The Dark Crystal.

In some cases scores supposedly MIA were found out (Conan, King Kong 76).

So could a list of "confirmed MIA scores" be prepared? What is rumor and what's really confirmed?

Of course in these cases the best hope is for rerecordings (i'd love complete rerecordings of Dracula, Red Sonja, Moonraker and Satan Bug)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2014 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Dan my friend, the wording for a few seconds brought back scary memories.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Remembered another one - king Kong Lives

So the list so far would be:

Confirmed to be missing:
- Beat Girl
- Damnation Alley (synths)
- Dracula
- Friday The 13th1-5
- Fright Night
- Fuzz (Grusin)
- The Haunting ( Humphrey Searle)
- Mister Moses
- Pursuit (Goldsmith)
- The Salamander
- Satan Bug (1/2 the score)
- Sinful Davy
- Dr.No (Norman)
- From Russia With Love
- Goldfinger

Rummored to be missing:
- Alien3 (?)
- The Dark Crystal (tapes supposedly in Trevor Jones posesion)
- King Kong Lives
- Moonraker
- Red Sonja

Lost but found:
- Black Hole (in this case it was more a problem of finding the equipment to read the original digital recording)
- Conan
- King Kong

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

You may exclude the Alien 3. Elliot's team keeps all the masters in perfect condition.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Mister Moses
Sinful Davy
Beat Girl
Dr.No (Norman)
From Russia With Love
Goldfinger

Original score tapes for the Barry scores above, I think are confirmed missing. Definitely strongly rumoured.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

You may exclude the Alien 3. Elliot's team keeps all the masters in perfect condition.

That's great news. I think the rumor started when the blu-rays were released and this was the only score that was not isolated from the original tapes, but from the film stems with lots of editing.

Lalaland seems to be the best candidate to release it!

List edited accordingly.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

You may exclude the Alien 3. Elliot's team keeps all the masters in perfect condition.

That's great news. I think the rumor started when the blu-rays were released and this was the only score that was not isolated from the original tapes, but from the film stems with lots of editing.

Lalaland seems to be the best candidate to release it!

List edited accordingly.


I am sure La la land would have released his other scores as well, but I am afraid this ain't gonna happen. A large number of Elliot's scores had been produced by Varese and they're sort of dicks re what they control in perpetuity. They don't really care what fans want. They will only do what they want to do!

Also I am not sure about Dracula. I'll have to check and see if the masters still exist.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)



I am sure La la land would have released his other scores as well, but I am afraid this ain't gonna happen. A large number of Elliot's scores had been produced by Varese and they're sort of dicks re what they control in perpetuity. They don't really care what fans want. They will only do what they want to do!


On the specific case of Alien 3 it was released by MCA (so maybe Intrada would be more likely than LLL).
With respect to his other scores released by Varese, based on the more recent Club releases I'm more optimistic about the possibility of releases of those late 80's / 90's scores. We've got The Abyss and Predator 2 is to be released. I hope Sphere and Demolition Man are in Varese's radar.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)



I am sure La la land would have released his other scores as well, but I am afraid this ain't gonna happen. A large number of Elliot's scores had been produced by Varese and they're sort of dicks re what they control in perpetuity. They don't really care what fans want. They will only do what they want to do!


On the specific case of Alien 3 it was released by MCA (so maybe Intrada would be more likely than LLL).
With respect to his other scores released by Varese, based on the more recent Club releases I'm more optimistic about the possibility of releases of those late 80's / 90's scores. We've got The Abyss and Predator 2 is to be released. I hope Sphere and Demolition Man are in Varese's radar.


I'll tell you what's in Varese's radar - Sara Andon! big grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

You may exclude the Alien 3. Elliot's team keeps all the masters in perfect condition.

Where does this interesting bit of information come from?

The latest I think we've heard on this matter, has been by our dear "Wedge" (John Takis) in La-La Land's "Pet Sematary"-thread (http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99482):

I could be wrong, but I believe the main difficulty with ALIEN3 is the masters being missing! At any rate, I chatted with Maestro Goldenthal about that score for a while once we were through talking PET SEMATARY, and he confirmed that he doesn't have anything in his possession. Perhaps we'll get lucky and they'll turn up in an unmarked or mislabeled box at some point.

(Emphasis mine)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

You may exclude the Alien 3. Elliot's team keeps all the masters in perfect condition.

Where does this interesting bit of information come from?

The latest I think we've heard on this matter, has been by our dear "Wedge" (John Takis) in La-La Land's "Pet Sematary"-thread (http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99482):

I could be wrong, but I believe the main difficulty with ALIEN3 is the masters being missing! At any rate, I chatted with Maestro Goldenthal about that score for a while once we were through talking PET SEMATARY, and he confirmed that he doesn't have anything in his possession. Perhaps we'll get lucky and they'll turn up in an unmarked or mislabeled box at some point.

(Emphasis mine)


From Elliot's producer. Besides studio, his masters are kept either at his recording engineer/producer's archives. If all goes well, I am pretty sure they will release it in the future.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Call me crazy but I don't believe someone who calls Varese to be dicks to have any pertinent information on the masters of Alien 3...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

Call me crazy but I don't believe someone who calls Varese to be dicks to have any pertinent information on the masters of Alien 3...

All right, you're crazy.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


The latest I think we've heard on this matter, has been by our dear "Wedge" (John Takis) in La-La Land's "Pet Sematary"-thread (http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99482):

I could be wrong, but I believe the main difficulty with ALIEN3 is the masters being missing! At any rate, I chatted with Maestro Goldenthal about that score for a while once we were through talking PET SEMATARY, and he confirmed that he doesn't have anything in his possession. Perhaps we'll get lucky and they'll turn up in an unmarked or mislabeled box at some point.

(Emphasis mine)


Well apparently according daretodream, all the above is incorrect as Elliot's team keeps all the masters in perfect condition. roll eyes

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)


The latest I think we've heard on this matter, has been by our dear "Wedge" (John Takis) in La-La Land's "Pet Sematary"-thread (http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99482):

I could be wrong, but I believe the main difficulty with ALIEN3 is the masters being missing! At any rate, I chatted with Maestro Goldenthal about that score for a while once we were through talking PET SEMATARY, and he confirmed that he doesn't have anything in his possession. Perhaps we'll get lucky and they'll turn up in an unmarked or mislabeled box at some point.

(Emphasis mine)


Well apparently according daretodream, all the above is incorrect as Elliot's team keeps all the masters in perfect condition. roll eyes


From perfect to near perfect, I'd say.

I wonder why LLL decided to reuse the album mix of 14m3 (aka Batterdammerung) from BATMAN FOREVER and not the original. I understand they couldn't you it because of damage to source material. Instead of asking Mr. Iwataki for help, they probably just decided to go the easy way and use the album mix. Perhaps Neil can answer that?

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

According to Lukas Kendall:

Pursuit (Goldsmith)
Fuzz (Grusin)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Reports on this topic can be contradictory.

For years, it was reported, by different people, that the tracks for Russell Garcia's score for THE TIME MACHINE were MIA. Then, out of the blue, FSM released them. Go figure.

However, other scores still seem to be MIA:
GREEN DOLPHIN STREET
REAP THE WILD WIND
JOAN OF ARC
EL CID
CITIZEN KANE
THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS
DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER
BLOOD AND SAND
THE MARK OF ZORRO
KINGS OF THE SUN
Plus any number of scores from RKO, MGM, and other studios, which have not lasted over time.

Not to mention an additional number that seem to exist only as "independent" recordings, such as HELEN OF TROY or KING RICHARD AND THE CRUSADERS.

The list goes on...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA

According to WHOM EXACTLY?

What is the exact source for this yes "Confirmation?"

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

"Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA"

According to WHOM EXACTLY?

What is the exact source for this yes "Confirmation?"

Ford A. Thaxton


Way to hold their feet to the fire, Ford. I'm convinced this one was archived inside a layer of Transylvanian soil, then stored and forgotten in a box in the basement of Anvil Studios.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA

According to WHOM EXACTLY?

What is the exact source for this yes "Confirmation?"

Ford A. Thaxton



http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96480&forumID=1&archive=0

from LLL's facebook:

DRACULA is MIA and has been for quite some time. IF a label is working on it, all that has survived is so-so mono elements as far as I know.

 
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