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 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Delayed again:


Bond turmoil as new script fails to thrill

By Baz Bamigboye

Published: 17:23 EST, 26 June 2014 | Updated: 02:40 EST, 27 June 2014
There has been what some are calling ‘polite turmoil’ behind the scenes of the latest James Bond film, resulting in a reshuffle of screenwriters and a delay to the start of filming.

The picture, known for now simply as Bond 24, was being written solely by Oscar-nominated John Logan, after he was brought in by director Sam Mendes to pen the last picture, Skyfall. In the process, Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, long-time 007 writers, were gently moved on.

But now they’re back. The pair — who co-wrote five films for the franchise — have just been hired to re-write Logan’s script and give it some ‘punch’.

An executive associated with the Bond films observed: ‘Neal and Robert are only doing what was done to them. There’s no blood; no scars.’

Perhaps not, but I asked if there was turmoil. The response was this: ‘Let’s call it polite turmoil. People are getting on with their work, but we have to wait for the script, so filming won’t begin till December, a few months later than they wanted.’

Interestingly, producers at Eon and Sony had already opted to delay shooting while they waited for Mendes to direct Simon Russell Beale as King Lear at the National Theatre and to co-stage a revival of Cabaret in New York.

The script problems were detected before John Cleese’s stinging criticism in the Radio Times last week about recent Bond movies.

Cleese, Bond boffin Q in Die Another Day (and Q’s sidekick R in the earlier The World Is Not Enough) said recent Bond pictures were ‘gritty and humourless’.

He pointed out that big box-office money was coming from Asia, ‘where the audiences go to watch the action sequences, and that’s why in my opinion the action sequences go on for too long, and it’s a fundamental flaw’.
Cleese added: ‘The audiences in Asia are not going for the subtle British humour, or the class jokes.’ Be that as it may, Skyfall raked in more than £1?billion in global takings — £100?million-plus of that in the UK alone.

Purvis and Wade have been asked to ‘punch up’ the script and sprinkle in more gags, emphasising the witty repartee between Daniel Craig’s 007 and Naomie Harris’s Miss Moneypenny, and focusing on the interplay between Bond and Ralph Fiennes’s M.
Mendes and his team have already been on recces to possible locations; and a handful of Scandinavian actresses and models have been interviewed with a view to starring as Bond girls — excuse me, Bond persons.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2671471/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Bond-turmoil-new-script-fails-thrill.html


Evidently it's going to be a long wait until the next anti-Bond film is produced and released. First we read that the esteemed London playwright John Logan has written the script because EON hack writers Purvis & Wade have been dismissed from the company. The whole wide world rejoices. Logan was brought in by director Sam Mendes to rewrite SKYFALL when the original Purvis & Wade script was deemed unworkable by the director. Then it is announced that Purvis & Wade would be revising Logan's script for Bond 24. Now we read that Craig is unhappy with the wit and humor allegedly being brought back to the series because it's not his forte (manic depression is his forte).

Obviously Craig is as much a part of the problem as inept writers and Barbara Broccoli's and Michael J. Wilson's incompetence. They seem incapable of developing a project and bringing it to fruition unless they hire other producers to do it for them. They take the credit, but they don't do the work.

The series needs new producers at the helm. Completely different minds who would do completely different things from the get-go.


'Bond 24' Cancels Filming Due To Unworkable Schedules?
Daniel Craig Said To Be Turned Off By The Idea Of Having Humor Mixed Into The Movie?

BY P Tuason | Jul 03, 2014 11:19 PM EDT
"Bond 24" is slated to have an October 2015 release date. However, new reports suggest that there have been a revision of some sort to the movie's story.
Rumors of the movie being cancelled altogether because of the delays are false. But, reports of having to rewrite the script to include some humor and wit are definitely true.

Original writer John Logan has already written the script for "Bond 24." But, director Sam Mendes was not completely satisfied with it so he asked Neal Purvis and Robert Wade to do some necessary fix-me-ups.

A source claims: "Purvis and Wade have been asked to 'punch up' the script and sprinkle in more gags, emphasising the witty repartee between Daniel Craig's 007 and Naomie Harris's Miss Moneypenny, and focusing on the interplay between Bond and Ralph Fiennes's M."

This latest development has pushed back the movie's filming from October to December. And it might follow that "Bond 24" will hit the big screens on a later 2015 date.

According to a Yahoo blog: "The need for a rewrite implies that Logan's screenplay, while solid, might've been a tad too serious, whereas 007 adventures have always had a satisfying blend of quips, one-liners and playful banter from the lead characters, as well as a serious, real undertone, especially in the latter releases - 'Casino Royale' being a particularly raw and gritty example."

Fans are also awaiting who will be cast as the next Bond villain. Earlier reports have connected Kevin Spacey, Daniel Radcliffe and Ron Perlman to the role. But Spacey has already denied that he's been offered the role, while Radcliffe and Perlman have expressed their intent to play the Bond villain.

No official confirmation has been made about other cast members including the next Bond girl.

Are you disappointed that the movie's filming will start late than scheduled? Sound of below!
For the latest "Bond 24" news, stay tuned here!


http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/27548/20140703/bond-24-cancels-filming-due-to-unworkable-schedules.htm


I'd read that John Revolta and Penelope Cruz had been signed, but apparently not.

SKYFALL did such a clinical and comprehensive job of deconstructing James Bond out of existence, I can't imagine where John Logan and Sam Mendes will take the series next, unless it's more of the same.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


SKYFALL did such a clinical and comprehensive job of deconstructing James Bond out of existence, I can't imagine where John Logan and Sam Mendes will take the series next, unless it's more of the same.


I would argue that it put him back on track and opened the doors for more classic adventures without all that personal drama.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

No personal drama in SKYFALL, Francis?

I suggest you watch the film again.

Ask yourself what that dialog between Silva and Bond, Moneypenny and Bond, M and Bond are all about. Ask yourself what Bond's persistent failures are all about. Ask yourself what that whole show at Skyfall Mansion is all about.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

No personal drama in SKYFALL, Francis?

I suggest you watch the film again.

Ask yourself what that dialog between Silva and Bond, Moneypenny and Bond, M and Bond are all about. Ask yourself what Bond's persistent failures are all about. Ask yourself what that whole show at Skyfall Mansion is all about.


That's not what I said, I was saying skyfall had so much personal drama that I can't see them going this route AGAIN with the next movie, hopefully focusing on a traditional adventure that doesn't include Bond's nanny, family place, ... you catch my drift.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Don't even waste your time, Francis.

He may get his tiresome rocks jerking off continually about the 'Anti-Bond' brigade and everyone connected with it, but don't waste your non-refundable energy trying to deal with this iron-pyrite UNomnipotent 007 'expert' who's only demonstrated expertise is impotent deconstruction of his own.

roll eyes YAWNsome roll eyes in roll eyes the roll eyes extremis roll eyes


[ now go ahead and whine like a little boy behind the scenes Again about how you're due an 'apology' for our alleged disrespectful behavior, comments and attitude ... ]

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I think it should read as "principal photography" although I'm not at all sure if it has been rendered as "principle" for a specific reason.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Lol. For someone who hates the new bond movies, you sure do spend a lot of time obsessing over it.

Personally, I don't go out of my way to post links to articles about movies I don't like.

Why not put that energy towards things you actually enjoy?

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Lol. For someone who hates the new bond movies, you sure do spend a lot of time obsessing over it.
Personally, I don't go out of my way to post links to articles about movies I don't like.
Why not put that energy towards things you actually enjoy?



I'll venture to answer, even though no one asked me. (big grin)

It's because so many of us invest personal feelings into that which has given us tremendous pleasure in the past.
When it starts to go wrong (or is perceived to be so), we should not take it personally, but we do.
So in Richard's defense, I can empathize with his feelings of artistic "betrayal". But the point where he goes off-kilter is when he takes umbrage at those who may enjoy that which he does not.

Am I close?

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Don't even waste your time, Francis.

He may get his tiresome rocks jerking off continually about the 'Anti-Bond' brigade and everyone connected with it, but don't waste your non-refundable energy trying to deal with this iron-pyrite UNomnipotent 007 'expert' who's only demonstrated expertise is impotent deconstruction of his own.

roll eyes YAWNsome roll eyes in roll eyes the roll eyes extremis roll eyes


[ now go ahead and whine like a little boy behind the scenes Again about how you're due an 'apology' for our alleged disrespectful behavior, comments and attitude ... ]



nEO, YOU'RE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PRAISE THE LORD, PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

smile
smile
smile

Sanity has been restored (sort of) - now if we could just get "W" to go away..........
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I remember Tim Dalton was originally confirmed for a third Bond but then Eon and MGM had a huge number of delays in getting it off the ground (albeit due to legal wrangles rather than script issues). By the time they had sorted it all out they decided to re-boot the serious with a new actor.

I can only hope history repeats itself!

As for the script not being up to scratch, that hasn't stopped them with the last couple of 007 movies so why should it now?

And seriously, re-hiring Beavis & Butthead as writers to punch up the script? They are dreadful writers, the British version of Orci & Kurtzman. Man alive.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   BobJ   (Member)

I also do not care for Skyfall as I have said from the beginning it's all icing and no cake... but come on guys, why all the hatred? There are many Bond films that have split the public opinion in the past, but never before have I seen such hatred over the disagreement. It's just a movie gang. There are so many other things happening in this old world of ours such as mass genocide to get angry over... but a Bond movie is not one of them.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)



And seriously, re-hiring Beavis & Butthead as writers to punch up the script? They are dreadful writers, the British version of Orci & Kurtzman. Man alive.


big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I also do not care for Skyfall as I have said from the beginning it's all icing and no cake... but come on guys, why all the hatred? There are many Bond films that have split the public opinion in the past, but never before have I seen such hatred over the disagreement. It's just a movie gang. There are so many other things happening in this old world of ours such as mass genocide to get angry over... but a Bond movie is not one of them.

Well, as someone firmly in the "If Daniel Craig got hideously deformed in a pie-making machine accident would anyone notice the difference" camp I can honestly say that my ire is not in the least directed at anyone who happens to enjoy his movies - as you say its a pretty subjective thing and ai honestly don't have an issue with anyone who has a polarised view to my own.

As a former Bond fan I absoluetly loathe and detest the direction the series has gone in in recent years and also cannot stand the fact that Craig's performance is so poor but I respect that others disagree with this view. But I do find it odd that some supporters of the current Bonds will rave and rave about any new Bond news whilst moaning about those of us who are naysayers.

But for those of us who are not fans of the series any more, here is an exclusive publicity still of Daniel Craig to promote the next 007 flick:

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

May I present the new, Cleese-friendly, James Bond



 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   BobJ   (Member)

I also do not care for Skyfall as I have said from the beginning it's all icing and no cake... but come on guys, why all the hatred? There are many Bond films that have split the public opinion in the past, but never before have I seen such hatred over the disagreement. It's just a movie gang. There are so many other things happening in this old world of ours such as mass genocide to get angry over... but a Bond movie is not one of them.

Well, as someone firmly in the "If Daniel Craig got hideously deformed in a pie-making machine accident would anyone notice the difference" camp I can honestly say that my ire is not in the least directed at anyone who happens to enjoy his movies - as you say its a pretty subjective thing and ai honestly don't have an issue with anyone who has a polarised view to my own.

As a former Bond fan I absoluetly loathe and detest the direction the series has gone in in recent years and also cannot stand the fact that Craig's performance is so poor but I respect that others disagree with this view. But I do find it odd that some supporters of the current Bonds will rave and rave about any new Bond news whilst moaning about those of us who are naysayers.

But for those of us who are not fans of the series any more, here is an exclusive publicity still of Daniel Craig to promote the next 007 flick:









Can't say I disagree with your position. I was even going to go as far as making a clearly outlined video citing all my issues with Skyfall, from script to screen. That way I wouldn't have to constantly write all my issues over and over at forums and on FB.

I simply have grown tired of people telling me how wrong I am for not liking this dull lifeless film. If they enjoy it, fine, but to tell someone they are wrong for not liking it comes off a little too Bodysnatchers for my taste.


 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Cleese is pretty correct, they have become overly serious and gritty and more violent than ever.
There is this pretension with the modern Bonds that just does not persuade me anymore, and Craig is not really doing them any good anymore either. Craig is not suave, perhaps handsome, but not suave, he is humorless.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

James Bond movies are cyclic. When there is a new actor playing Bond, they make a "serious" movie and everyone praises it. Then as the actor's term goes on, the movies become so much farce.

My thoughts on Skyfall were the same as Shane Black's - it wasn't the worst 007 movie, but it was damn close. (Much like Shane Black, I will likely never be asked to pen a 007 movie now, but hey, their loss!)

What I'm worried about is that Skyfall marks the slide into the whole "Roger Moore in a hovercraft gondola and pigeon double-take" crap. A lot of people don't like Quantum of Solace because its very Bourne-ish (which I sort of get) but the other extreme is just as bad. There is a middle ground: for all its many, many failings, Moore's era had one of my favorite Bond films with For Your Eyes Only which I think struck a nice balance. Or Living Daylights! (Though to this day, the idea that a cello sounds find with a bullet hole in it makes me roll my eyes)

I like Craig's version of Bond. I just can do without the awful mop-head hipster Q ("I am a certified computer genius... let me plug this terrorist's laptop directly into the MI6 mainframe!") or the silly gun-car bullshit. Or John "I've never written anything that wasn't recycled" Logan for that matter.

But then again, like I said, they ain't calling me to write this stuff, are they?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

I always appreciate the austere minimalism of live theater when it is brought to a film. Logan and Mendes are theater people, mainly. SKYFALL is actually a sophisticated work, but its subtext of decay and failure is plain enough and more than inappropriate, it's a willful rejection of all the things that make James Bond creatively valid and entertaining. The film is not nearly as thoughtless and shallow as its defenders, who clearly don't realize when they're being insulted.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

The film is not nearly as thoughtless and shallow as its defenders, who clearly don't realize when they're being insulted.


I think they/we might spot that one!

I'll tell you what insults me...

Pigeons doing double-takes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

The film is not nearly as thoughtless and shallow as its defenders, who clearly don't realize when they're being insulted.


I think they/we might spot that one!

I'll tell you what insults me...

Pigeons doing double-takes.




The pigeon has more expression.....

 
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