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 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Of course there have been quite a few books exploring certain aspects of our Xenomorph "friends", but Fox have authorised a completely new trilogy of books to partly bridge the gap between Alien and Aliens.

The first installment - Alien - Out of the Shadows is set 37 years after the events of Alien and sees Ripley (accompanied by staff from a mining ship) back in action against her nemeses and I don't just mean the Xenomorphs...just because he lost his head in the first movie, doesn't mean he's not still in action, and, I have to say, I'm pretty impressed so far. Trying to get through it before publication of the second installment next week (I'm just a slow and occasional reader, that's all!), but enjoying the slight expansion of the universe. There are occasions when is does come across a bit FanFic-ish, and there are a couple of minor quibbles about the author's memories of the original movie, but in general I'm enjoying it a lot.

Anyone else out there grabbed this one?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I picked it up but haven't read it yet. Also be aware that the just recently re-published the novelizations for Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 by Alan Dean Foster.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 11:45 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I picked it up but haven't read it yet. Also be aware that the just recently re-published the novelizations for Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 by Alan Dean Foster.

I still have the originals smile ...great to see them back on the shelves though....I wonder if they fixed all the horrible spelling mistakes in Alien 3?

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2014 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

The first installment - Alien - Out of the Shadows is set 37 years after the events of Alien and sees Ripley (accompanied by staff from a mining ship) back in action against her nemeses and I don't just mean the Xenomorphs...just because he lost his head in the first movie, doesn't mean he's not still in action, and, I have to say, I'm pretty impressed so far. Trying to get through it before publication of the second installment next week (I'm just a slow and occasional reader, that's all!), but enjoying the slight expansion of the universe. There are occasions when is does come across a bit FanFic-ish, and there are a couple of minor quibbles about the author's memories of the original movie, but in general I'm enjoying it a lot.

Anyone else out there grabbed this one?


Thanks for the info! I'm curious about the time between Alien and Aliens which was stated in the film to be 57 years; so Ripley had another adventure 20 years before Aliens or is the 57 years after the second adventure before Aliens? Or am I just confused?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2014 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I'm curious about the time between Alien and Aliens which was stated in the film to be 57 years; so Ripley had another adventure 20 years before Aliens or is the 57 years after the second adventure before Aliens?

I was wondering the same thing. I recall it being 57 years.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2014 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

20 years between Out of the Shadows and Aliens...not stated explicitly, but that still fits the timeline....

Finished the book - yeah, it's good....thoroughly enjoyed it....ties nicely in to Aliens, and no doubt the next book which comes out on the 24th smile....

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2014 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

20 years between Out of the Shadows and Aliens...not stated explicitly, but that still fits the timeline....

Finished the book - yeah, it's good....thoroughly enjoyed it....ties nicely in to Aliens, and no doubt the next book which comes out on the 24th smile....


Thanks for clarifying; and the review. Sounds like it's worth a read.

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

My thoughts that I posted over at Amazon, regarding the Second part - Sea of Sorrows

"I enjoyed Tim Lebbon's book a lot...a bit fan-fic-ish at times (but forgiveable, since that's exactly what it is - just very good fan-fic), so this second installment had quite a lot to live up to.

MILD SPOILERS HEREIN - BE CAREFUL

Whereas Lebbon's book was very much an ode to the first movie, Sea of Sorrows unashamedly takes its cues from the second - a rag tag team of freelance Commando-types travel back to LV178 centuries after the events of "Out of the Shadows", after the Corporation decide that they want to capture another specimen and have the ideal person to accompany the brutes - Decker, not only a mild empath but also someone who shares a connection with the Xenomorphs through a blood tie - his descendant, after all, was "The Destroyer" - Ellen Ripley.

The book sets up the circumstances behind the inevitable ambush nicely. Decker's empathic abilities sound a bit of an excuse, but they rarely come into play and don't become as annoying as they could easily have done. The buried ship from "Out of the Shadows" is revisited, though disappointingly little more is learned (yet).

The sections written from the Xenomorphs' viewpoint are a nice touch.

A perhaps inevitable scene towards the end of the book is hinted at (as in, given away completely) via a picture on the back cover. Found that an odd choice - and would be a little annoyed I think if I were the author. I would much rather have been surprised.

The book moves at breakneck pace - there is no letup and it is a thrilling, if sometimes a tad predictable, ride. It is more of an adult book than the first installment - more profanity and an awful lot more gore.

There is one sentence around a third of the way through that I must admit I found tantalising - regarding another descendant of Decker (and who is already mentioned in the Aliens movie) - I wonder if this might be partially covered in the third book? Talking of which, I understand that "River of Pain" is tied directly into these first two books, but I have trouble in seeing how....and that is why I had no choice but to pre-order it really!

This "Counterpoint" and expansion to the film sequence has been an excellent ride so far, and "Sea of Sorrows" does not fall short in any department.

A solid, thumping good read.

Final note - I would also like to think that in an office somewhere, someone is talking about adaptations of these - even animations."

Thoroughly enjoyed it...which, for me reading a book, is very rare.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2016 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

The first book in the trilogy - "Out of the Shadows", has now been adapted by Dirk Maggs as a (quite lengthy) audio drama, starring, among others, Rutger Hauer....available now on Audible.....and quite good fun.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2016 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm still confused. Ripley was in cryo for 57 years between ALIEN and ALIENS, and she was not awake for any of that period (otherwise, she would not have been as confused about the time passed when she wakes up at the space station). So how can this take place -- with Ripley as a protagonist -- 37 years after ALIEN?

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I'm still confused. Ripley was in cryo for 57 years between ALIEN and ALIENS, and she was not awake for any of that period (otherwise, she would not have been as confused about the time passed when she wakes up at the space station). So how can this take place -- with Ripley as a protagonist -- 37 years after ALIEN?

Who says she was not awake for any of it?

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Who says she was not awake for any of it?

I thought that was fairly given when you see the opening of ALIENS. The whole escape pod is covered in 'crystal dust' after many decades of floating in space, Ripley has no memory of anything after the she went into the cryotube at the end of ALIEN, she's stunned to learn the duration of the trip etc. etc.

Given the existing plotline, I find it highly unlikely that she woke up during the cryosleep, had her adventure (without really checking time and place), then went back in and then woke up at the space station with no memory of said adventure.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

The ALIEN franchise....

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I just woke up. Luckily I have no memory of most of the ALIEN franchise. Now I must return to my hypersleep. And please let me sleep through the next ALIEN movie, as I did through much of PROMETHEUS.

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 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Oh, Rory, you're such a rebel..... big grin

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Haha....well, I'm trying to keep up with it all, and signs are generally good for at least another movie or three....

"Out of the Shadows" though concerns another adventure when LV-426 is mined (the early days of the colony in "Aliens"), and there's a problem...which may or may not be accidental....Ash IS gone after all, isn't he?.....Ripley's pod is traced and she is revived...another adventure ensues, during which she's basically killed, but a medical pod (such as those seen in Prometheus) restores her with a side effect being memory loss....

It's knitted in quite well.

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Haha....well, I'm trying to keep up with it all, and signs are generally good for at least another movie or three....

"Out of the Shadows" though concerns another adventure when LV-426 is mined (the early days of the colony in "Aliens"), and there's a problem...which may or may not be accidental....Ash IS gone after all, isn't he?.....Ripley's pod is traced and she is revived...another adventure ensues, during which she's basically killed, but a medical pod (such as those seen in Prometheus) restores her with a side effect being memory loss....

It's knitted in quite well.


Sounds like a bit of a stretch, to put it mildly (she doesn't remember the "mid-cryo" adventure, but everything that happened in ALIEN?), but hey -- I guess that's what fan fiction is for.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I guess that's what fan fiction is for.

....and do you write such things as "Shadows iof the Empire" off as fan fiction too?

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah. Basically.

Nothing against it. In fact, I'm all for expanding a universe I'm in love with. But sometimes, the writers take weird liberties with the 'canon' timeline that don't really make sense.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Yeah. Basically.

Nothing against it. In fact, I'm all for expanding a universe I'm in love with. But sometimes, the writers take weird liberties with the 'canon' timeline that don't really make sense.


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 Posted:   May 1, 2016 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Yeah. Basically.

Nothing against it. In fact, I'm all for expanding a universe I'm in love with. But sometimes, the writers take weird liberties with the 'canon' timeline that don't really make sense.


You don't even need to look into the expanded universe to find the most glaring inconsistencies. Alien 3 is probably the worst example of a sequel that throws everything good that the franchise had out the window and replaces it with utter stupitidy in order to justify it's existence.

WHY IS THERE AN EGG IN THE CORNER OF THE CEILING IN A ROOM WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE ON THE SULACO?!

Dude, what gives? You can't just put some random egg in the movie like that!.It doesn't make any sense! The eggs come from an egg laying sac that's the size of a Young Bus and the Queen DID NOT HAVE THAT while she was onboard the Sulaco! And I seriously doubt James Cameron wrote in the script that the Queen carried an egg with her all the way from her hive to the Sulaco and put it on a ceiling corner in a room we've never seen before. She was chasing Newt and fighting Ripley the whole time.

Oh, how about this little bit of character assassination? Bishop is one of my all time favorite androids. He's a truly realized character that takes great pride in how his limitations and programming can help him better aid his human comrades. And now in Alien3, when Ripley is all on her own, he requests to be disconnected because he feels he'll never be the top of the line again.

...Does anyone remember in ALIENS how Bishop wouldn't shut up about how obsolete he was and how Frost took on the role as Bishop's therapists whenever a new model of Android was created? Of course not because that was never a part of his character! Why should he care about whether he's the top of the line model of Android? He was able to save Newt from falling out of the loading shaft when he didn't have anything below his torso!

God, I went on a rant again. I just can't believe they did this. I need something to make me feel better. Help a fan out! What do we got?!



Ahhh. That feels so much better.

 
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