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 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

This movie has been on today in a magnificent restoration and score by Franz Waxman. I hadn't seen it before, and Maria Schell was lovely as Yantze's wife.

Quite entertaining, directed by Anthony Mann, even though not a film of the first rank.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

This movie has been on today in a magnificent restoration and score by Franz Waxman. I hadn't seen it before, and Maria Schell was lovely as Yantze's wife.

Quite entertaining, directed by Anthony Mann, even though not a film of the first rank.



I agree 100%. Good movie and a memorable score by Waxman. The FSM CD ist fantastic.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I like the film but overall it is rather routine. I think it did poorly at the box office.

I always liked Glenn Ford but felt he was an odd actor at times, like he was reading his lines etc. He looked like he was "acting." Other times he was fine.

In 1970 I was driving through Beverly Hills and Ford was walking down the street. My aunt stopped the car and said we were looking for movie stars and asked if he was anybody! He said nothing but gave that Glenn Ford smile. He was mid 50s, looked it, was overweight and had a bald spot, didn't shave etc. It was noon but he looked liked he just woke up. We circled back with the car and he cut through some yards to avoid us! smile

In the mid 60s I saw Cimarron on TV. Loved the Waxman score, great main theme. At the same time I bought an MGM 2 LP set that had the Waxman theme on it played by David Rose. That's all I had for 40 plus years. Then Lukas/FSM issued the cd! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I have to admit this is one film I don't find underrated at all. I was a big Anthony Mann fan but found his previous two westerns THE TIN STAR and MAN OF THE WEST much more powerful. I was a Glenn Ford fan but the characters in both his previous westerns 3:10 TO YUMA and THE SHEEPMAN were more compelling. No wonder they cut and downgraded this from a roadshow release to a regular one. There is not even a hint of chemistry between Maria Schell and Ford. And even the overly melodramatic 1931 original had more convincing villains. These seem so mechanical I can't get worked up over anything they do. And finally after I saw the original 1931 Oscar winner on the big screen I am convinced that spectacular land grab sequence is larger and more sprawling than the remake.

So, like MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY, the only aspect that makes it superior (besides the widescreen and color) for me is the score. But because CIMARRON was a worse failure than BOUNTY Franz Waxman's masterly work seems to have been lost to the ages. They didn't even give it a soundtrack when it came out, David Rose gave it a watered down partial score treatment. So have to thank Lukas for saving it for the rest of us. Hopefully word-of-mouth will keep it alive.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I have to admit this is one film I don't find underrated at all. I was a big Anthony Mann fan but found his previous two westerns THE TIN STAR and MAN OF THE WEST much more powerful. I was a Glenn Ford fan but the characters in both his previous westerns 3:10 TO YUMA and THE SHEEPMAN were more compelling. No wonder they cut and downgraded this from a roadshow release to a regular one. There is not even a hint of chemistry between Maria Schell and Ford. And even the overly melodramatic 1931 original had more convincing villains. These seem so mechanical I can't get worked up over anything they do. And finally after I saw the original 1931 Oscar winner on the big screen I am convinced that spectacular land grab sequence is larger and more sprawling than the remake.

So, like MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY, the only aspect that makes it superior (besides the widescreen and color) for me is the score. But because CIMARRON was a worse failure than BOUNTY Franz Waxman's masterly work seems to have been lost to the ages. They didn't even give it a soundtrack when it came out, David Rose gave it a watered down partial score treatment. So have to thank Lukas for saving it for the rest of us. Hopefully word-of-mouth will keep it alive.




I agree with your comments Morricone. I too liked 3:10 to Yuma and The Sheepman, among other Ford films. In some films he was excellent, other films he was unconvincing.

The Tin Star is a long-time favorite and Man of the West is one tough film. Have them both on VHS.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I can understand some of the criticism of this movie. It isn't perfect, but overall, I have enjoyed watching it. I think Maria Schell is perfect in her role as the long suffering wife. Also, I love Waxman's score. It is quite rousing at times and yet can be very melodic and winsome.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

Interesting comments about the film and Glenn Ford. I thought he was superb in Delmar Daves' 3.10 to Yuma; he was always at his best when intense and conflicted (also marvellous in "Gilda"). Saw him recently in "The Courtship of Eddie's Father" and he sleep-walked through that role!!

Anthony Mann was one of my favourite directors, especially those 50's westerns like "The Naked Spur", "Bend in the River", "Winchester 73". However, I thought "Cimarron" was very mixed in quality; the land-grab scene was improbable because it disallowed suspension of disbelief for me - especially when those buck-boards and wagons were smashed as if in a bugs bunny cartoon. The film also didn't show HOW each land section was claimed - that always intrigued me.

Ferber's book (I haven't read it) is obviously an epic and I didn't get a sense of this in the film; i.e. that time has elapsed and consequences have occured. The elisions to show time having passed just didn't work; next minute Sabra is saying "my husband hasn't contacted me for 10 years" and this didn't link with the previous scene! That happened twice; at one stage he was in Mexico with a bunch of dudes and I was thinking "what the..?". So, there were real problems. The Ann Baxter character was completely enigmatic - we found out nothing about her. Let's say, the adaptation of Ferber should have been more rigorous, but perhaps Mann simply copied the 1930's version of the film (which I also haven't seen)?

Other adaptations of Ferber haven't worked so well either - for example, "Come and Get It" (1938).

Charming aspects of his 1960 "Cimarron" were the ensemble pieces between an interesting bunch of characters; the development of Schell's Sabra, which was only hinted at in the beginning of the film; the look of the film - its cinematography and production design and, of course, Waxman's music.

After it finished I was thinking, 'if you're going to adapt an epic you have to have a rigorous, over-arching design and plot outcome'. I don't think this occurred and the film didn't do justice to Yantze, his newspaper or philanthropic/social justice tendencies. The last scene was that of a love story.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2014 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)

One minor addition to the minutiae on the subject is the "budget" ($1.99) LP release:

MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY - Theme from the M-G-M Movie (Diplomat DS-2276)
Nicholas Andriano conducting the Spectacular Sound Track Orchestra

It features decent extended "pop" (but pretty close to the OST) versions of:
MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY
CIMARRON
EL CID
KING OF KINGS
FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE

Here's one site with a picture:
http://www.filmmusicsite.com/soundtracks.cgi?id=6625

Given its limitations, this LP was the only decent version of the main theme at that time, to my ears.

For what it's worth.

Ron Burbella


 
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