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 Posted:   Jul 27, 2014 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

The following cue sounds like what Jerry Goldsmith would have done, back when film music was still good. For me, that is so few and far between these days.

Good job Marco!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnS6iXLm1UU

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2014 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

As I recall he was a student of Goldsmith's.

If you like this, Wolverine is in the same neighborhood sonically, as is World War Z, to a lesser extent.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2014 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Really? This sounds nothing like Goldsmith. I can't think of a single Goldsmith score that was this sparse and atmospheric.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2014 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   MKRUltra   (Member)

The propulsive, snare-driven theme and action cues are very nicely reminiscent of Goldsmith, yes. Just wish the rest of the score maintained that level of excitement and interest -- a good half of the album is bland and a bit subdued. Film is brilliant, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I haven't heard the whole score. I was just talking about the cue I shared.

I'll amend my post subject title from:

Very reminiscent of Jerry, Beltrami's SNOWPIERCER

To: Beltrami SNOWPIERCER cue reminds me of Jerry G.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

Beltrami's action style isn't that far removed from Goldsmith's, especially all the changing meters and his fondness for 7/8.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Beltrami's action style isn't that far removed from Goldsmith's, especially all the changing meters and his fondness for 7/8.

I agree, and this cue mentioned ("This is the Beginning"), with its relentless snare rhythms and heroic strings and brass, sounds like something Goldsmith might have written for an action/adventure scene in something like The 13th Warrior or Timeline.

I do think that most of the rest of Snowpiercer does not sound like Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Beltrami was shaped by his tutelage under Jerry, and that is a good thing.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

I agree, and this cue mentioned ("This is the Beginning"), with its relentless snare rhythms and heroic strings and brass, sounds like something Goldsmith might have written for an action/adventure scene in something like The 13th Warrior or Timeline.

^ This. And then only with some stretch. First Blood it is definitely not. Not that any producer would ask for such a score nowadays anyway.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Beltrami's action style isn't that far removed from Goldsmith's, especially all the changing meters and his fondness for 7/8.

I agree, and this cue mentioned ("This is the Beginning"), with its relentless snare rhythms and heroic strings and brass, sounds like something Goldsmith might have written for an action/adventure scene in something like The 13th Warrior or Timeline.

I do think that most of the rest of Snowpiercer does not sound like Goldsmith.


That explains why I didn't recognize it. Not a fan of 13th Warrior or Timeline scores by Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2014 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Just seen this movie and the movie itself was really nothing to remember. However the music is the best thing about the film. The best parts of the score is the parts that reminded me of the late maestro.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2014 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Heard nothing but positive aspects to this film, so I ordered on Blu ray. The music by Beltrami sounds good to me, not sure about the Goldsmith connection?

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2014 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Beltrami's action style isn't that far removed from Goldsmith's, especially all the changing meters and his fondness for 7/8.

I agree, and this cue mentioned ("This is the Beginning"), with its relentless snare rhythms and heroic strings and brass, sounds like something Goldsmith might have written for an action/adventure scene in something like The 13th Warrior or Timeline.

I do think that most of the rest of Snowpiercer does not sound like Goldsmith.


"This is the Beginning" is one of my favorite cues of 2014.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2014 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

On this board saying something sounds like Goldsmith is dangerous, you need to specify it sounds like 90s Goldsmith or else the 70s Goldsmith fans will riot. wink

I definitely hear similarities to scores like Air Force One, Timeline and the aforementioned 13th Warrior in that cue. As entertaining and fun as Beltrami's recent action scores get, the difference is with Goldsmith you'd have more variation going on in the orchestration, but who knows what that cue sounded like initially, I wouldn't be surprised if Beltrami had to tone it down.

As for the movie, I watched it with my brother and we both found it an interesting premise, let down by cheesy action and dumb social commentary (Think Hunger Games). The further they got on that train, the bigger a train wreck that movie became. Still ok as a rental.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2014 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

The music by Beltrami sounds good to me, not sure about the Goldsmith connection?

The connection is that Beltrami's music brought to mind Goldsmith's music, for the OP. Beltrami is also a protégé of Goldsmith's, having studied under and interned for him at USC.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2014 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

I felt the presence of Jerry G quite keenly during parts of this film, which I have to say was nice. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2015 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

*SPOILER ALERT! DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM BUT INTEND TO!!!*

I LOVED this film personally, flaws notwithstanding: The ingenuity of the concept, the world it creates, the totally bizarre and all-over-the-map characterizations and performances, the production design, the intensity - There's so much to love here that I can forgive the less-than-perfect elements at play, which are not without consideration and acknowledgement.

Anyway. I want to speak though for a moment on Beltrami's music and a pivotal role it plays at the end.

For the most part, I actually don't think it's a very remarkable score: It's all over the place in a way that lacks congruity or thematic through line for me and feels at times a bit out of place.

Until the ending - I'm talking the VERY ending.

SPOILER ALERT!!!

The Snowpiercer crashes and is totally destroyed (unscored, wisely). We can infer most people aboard the Snowpiercer are dead, though perhaps not necessarily ALL of them. Anyway, our lead characters are totally killed off in those final moments, having sacrificed themselves to form a shield from the explosion with their bodies around the two younger characters.

These younger characters, for the first time in their lives, step out of the derailed train and into the snow, having NEVER been outside before and looking a little vertigo-stricken at first as a result. I don't know where the five-year-old boy found a fluffy coat that's perfect for his size, but I digress (again, it's not a perfect film).

For a second, as the damage is surveyed (unscored), everything is looking pretty damn bleak. Then they see a polar bear from afar, who seems to stare back at them (perhaps "hungrily", perhaps not). Either way, it's enough to tell us that life has found a way to endure outside the train against all odds. Some light strings and piano sneak is, hinting at a small glimmer of hope musically. Timpani broils for a moment, then there's silence for a few frames as we cut to black.

Then suddenly out of nowhere, Beltrami lets rip with a propulsive, snare-driven rhythm setter of almost Western bravado ("This is the Beginning") as the credits begin.

This is a GREAT piece of musical storytelling: Had Beltrami scored that moment in any other way, it might have told us that humanity was irrevocably doomed, that all was lost. Instead, his MUSIC tells us that despite the world-class ass-kicking humanity just endured, we might just stand a chance after all in this new beginning.

That isn't told in voice over, in dialogue, even in the young actors' performance really. Even the final symbolic image of the bear staring down at them from atop the mountainside is up for debate as to whether is truly stands for hope or not.

It's the MUSIC on the hard cut to black tells us the future, against all odds, looks bright.

That's great musical storytelling, people, of a rare and high order, and I had to acknowledge this moment as being an incredibly intelligent example of how music can work as a storytelling tool, rather than as wallpaper to "fill the gaps".

Good show, Beltrami. Good show.

 
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