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 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Heaven help me, I'm actually looking forward to Star Wars Episode VII and, of course, its music. It seems self-evident that we'll end up with something a lot closer to the prequel scores than the original trilogy from Williams and so I recently revisited the prequel scores which I hadn't played in a few years with fresh ears, both in their original album form and the more complete fan edits incorporating snippets of Williams music sourced from video games. Here are a few observations:

The Phantom Menace
I vividly remember being fairly disappointed in TPM when it came out, (I vastly preferred The Mummy which arrived at the same time) outside of Duel of the Fates. I think a large part of that was due to me not being used to the different sound of the new trilogy and the fact that the original TPM album is probably the weakest of the trilogy in terms of hearing the score in its best light.

In hindsight, it's pretty clear that Williams is really putting in a major effort with this score. The different planets all have their own distinct sounds and the Naboo and Coruscant material has a nicely different tone to the original trilogy scores. The score has, I think, the best subtle integration of original trilogy themes without being as obvious as in the later scores. And, probably most significantly, the action music seems to really strive to tell a cohesive musical story whose beats you can follow with the music, something which is much more lacking in the following scores. The Phantom Menace is the score that seems to most benefit from a chronological re-ordering, especially in the final Battle of Naboo cues where you can notice these really neat thematic touches such as the weaving of Duel of the Fates all throughout the final battle scenes.

Anakin's theme is another lovely piece and I really enjoy all the variations Williams puts in through in the score. I was always somewhat disappointed that he didn't really develop it too much in the prequels aside from some very minor uses in both Clones and Sith.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Attack of the Clones
Clones was and remains my favorite of the prequel scores and, I think has the most satisfying original album presentation. It also features the most impressive new theme of the prequels in Across the Stars. I'll never know how Williams was inspired to produce such an incredibly beautiful theme, probably the best love theme in the entire saga, from the horrid on screen romance in this film. Maybe he wrote it before even watching the movie, but just listening to the score you can hear what Lucas should have captured but badly fumbled.

Outside of the love theme, there rest of the score is a lot more streamlined with the action cues noticeably more rhythmic and less thematically driven than TPM. It feels like Williams just gave up trying so hard and wrote music that would be much more easily edited after the butchery of the TPM score. I also really like the rumbling, troubled scoring covering Anakin's initial steps towards the dark side and the phenomenal finale cue leading up to the credits.

The score as a whole feels maybe less ornate that TPM and more streamlined... in a weird way, it reminds me of a very solid '90s era Goldsmith score in some of the action scoring in particular. I know this is probably the least appreciated prequel score, but I've always really enjoyed the original album.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Cap. Really enjoying your insights on this. I look forward to your comments on ROTS after which I will probably weigh in myself about these scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Revenge of The Sith
I remember initially quite liking Sith, but it seems curiously fragmented upon revisiting the score. There are definite moments of inspiration, but it never quite gels as well as the preceding entries. Here the moments that really shine are the lamentation cues... the other dramatic cues and action cues feel a bit stale. The noticeable exception would be the final Battle of the Heroes material, but even that seems like just a Duel of the Fates knock off.

The album also sort of gives the impression that Williams was almost more interested in revisiting his Original Trilogy material than in writing fresh prequel material. The themes from the original trilogy appear here much more frequently and less subtly than they did in, say TPM and the contrast can be a bit jarring. It's somewhat telling that Williams spends much of the end credit cues revisiting Leia's theme and the Throne room rather than exploring his newer prequel music which is perhaps indicative of what he thought of the prequels by the end of it all. The only really notable extra cue to my ears that should have made the album was the first part of the final cue which transitions nicely from Padme's funeral to Vader and Tarkin on the Star Destroyer.

Anyways, those are my re-impressions of the scores. Given that it's Williams, all of the scores have something of merit within them, but I feel that only the first two really shine.

What are your thoughts on the prequels?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Cap. Really enjoying your insights on this. I look forward to your comments on ROTS after which I will probably weigh in myself about these scores.

Thanks, much appreciated. You see a lot of discussion about the need for complete prequel score releases, but outside of TPM, I really don't think they play that well in complete form. (Which of course is why it's such a pity that the Ultimate Edition of TPM was such rubbish). It'd be much better to have something like an Arista Trilogy style boxset with a disk with worthwhile extra cues from the scores.

-Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

I'll never forget the first time I heard Across the Stars. Beautiful, just beautiful.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I really can't stand the sound of the prequel scores, and by that I mean the recording itself. It's so....glossy and fake, which of course is in keeping with the visuals, whereas Star Wars and Empire sounded almost gritty in comparison.

Most of this is going to be negative, I guess.

The Phantom Menace has great action material (most of which was left off the album), and the "Duel Of The Fates" theme has only been cheapened by the film being as bad as it is and the reuse of the material wholesale (purposeful as it was, it sounded lazy when Burtt and Lucas just "hit play" on TPM CD for the big battle in Sith). The dialogue scenes are somehow made even more banal and lifeless by the constantly-going-but-saying-nothing music, and it seems like Williams used ALL of it for the original album. "Anakin's Theme" doesn't play like it did in that month leading up to the film, and I've never liked the "Trade Federation" theme (or whatever it is), sounding like leftover Last Crusade material.

Attack Of The Clones has that ONE fantastic Star Wars-sounding cue for "Jango's Escape," but outside of that, I'm not really a fan. The guitars weren't half as bad as the horribly out-of-place Crouching Tiger percussion (also used in that year's Minority Report). The love theme reminds me too much of Hook to really get into it. Also, the movie is somehow even worse than The Phantom Menace.

Revenge Of The Sith, while still being weak as a Star Wars score, is the best of the bunch by far and one of Williams' best scores of that decade. The typical 2000s Williams action music is on display, but there are some great thematic moments and rhythms (check that "General Grievous" cue), as well as some genuine feeling behind Anakin's decline (the "Enter Lord Vader" cue especially is just fantastic and adds so much weight to that last section of the film).

I'm hoping that Abrams can somehow get Williams back to a more analog (or just better-miked) sound.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

I really can't stand the sound of the prequel scores, and by that I mean the recording itself. It's so....glossy and fake, which of course is in keeping with the visuals, whereas Star Wars and Empire sounded almost gritty in comparison.

I HATE the muffled recordings of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith BUT The Phantom Menace sounds FAN-FREAKING-TASTIC. It's one of Shawn Murphy's finest recordings!

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2014 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I really can't stand the sound of the prequel scores, and by that I mean the recording itself. It's so....glossy and fake, which of course is in keeping with the visuals, whereas Star Wars and Empire sounded almost gritty in comparison.

I HATE the muffled recordings of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith BUT The Phantom Menace sounds FAN-FREAKING-TASTIC. It's one of Shawn Murphy's finest recordings!

-Erik-


Of the three of them, I guess I can agree that TPM sounds the best (man, that quick blast of pod race music--left off the album--is so awesome). I just like the Sith score much more as a whole, in that it's not weighed down on the album by all that dialogue scoring.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

You can clearly hear that John Williams is giving his A game for TPM. Coming back to Star Wars was a big deal and he knew it. He poured a lot of effort into a film that was boring, without much narrative and overly talky. And as a thanks his efforts were hacked to bits.

The two others are more John Williams on auto pilot. Still very accomplished. But not as much hard work went into them.

Parts of ROTS are actually quite lazy.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

You can clearly hear that John Williams is giving his A game for TPM. Coming back to Star Wars was a big deal and he knew it. He poured a lot of effort into a film that was boring, without much narrative and overly talky. And as a thanks his efforts were hacked to bits.

The two others are more John Williams on auto pilot. Still very accomplished. But not as much hard work went into them.

Parts of ROTS are actually quite lazy.


I'm no fan of the Reader's Digest versions of the Empire music that pop up in "Anakin vs. Obi-Wan," but I think there's way more good stuff (on the album) than bad (in the film).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

How did that Empire music come to be in ROTS?

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Moviedrone   (Member)

From what I understand it was supposed to score a scene of either Anakin and Obi-Wan or Sidious and Yoda throwing things at each other, ala the corresponding scene in EMPIRE, and was ditched.

I'm a big fan of TPM, ROTS has some amazing parts, but AOTC does very little for me besides the love theme. In fact I wrote about TPM for my blog recently. http://www.filmsonwax.co.uk/the-music-of-star-wars-reappraising-episode-i/

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

From what I understand it was supposed to score a scene of either Anakin and Obi-Wan or Sidious and Yoda throwing things at each other, ala the corresponding scene in EMPIRE, and was ditched.

I'm a big fan of TPM, ROTS has some amazing parts, but AOTC does very little for me besides the love theme. In fact I wrote about TPM for my blog recently. http://www.filmsonwax.co.uk/the-music-of-star-wars-reappraising-episode-i/


Nice blog entry!
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote. TPM isn't quite at the level of A New Hope or Empire, but it's up there with Jedi's score. Everything in that score sounds like Williams is giving it his all, especially the action cues. It's true that the cues covering the talky dialogue scenes are less interesting, but even those are much more interesting than Clones or Sith. Maybe someday we'll get a proper expanded edition of the score, but at least there are some pretty decent fan edits floating around.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Word from the beginning on Episode VII was that Kennedy, Abrams & Co. were going for a more-analogue, less-CGI look akin to the original movie and EMPIRE.

I suspect John Williams will follow that lead in returning to a pace-and-leitmotif approach. If the producers really live up to the promise of an old-school look and feel.

Heaven knows someone has got to lead Hollywood back from its CGI-induced torpor. It might as well be the franchise that led it there in the first place.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Funny this topic should come up: just last week I revisited the prequel scores myself to make CDs of them each for playing in the car. (I had previously made a copy with favorite tracks from all three on a single disc, but that just wasn't a full enough experience for each film for me.)

All three are great scores. I love them each for their own strengths. The Phantom Menace is the brightest, funnest and most spirited and features the best action work. Attack of the Clones may in fact be my favorite with its gorgeous, sweeping love theme pervading the score and the strongest finale. Revenge of the Sith is the darkest, a score heavy with despair and portentous menace.

Here are the slightly abbreviated/rearranged playlists I came up with for myself:

The Phantom Menace:
1. Star Wars Main Title and The Arrival at Naboo
2. Jar Jar's Introduction and The Swim to Otoh Gunga
3. Passage Through the Planet Core
4. Anakin's Theme
5. The Arrival at Tatooine and The Flag Parade
6. Anakin Defeats Sebulba
7. The Trip to the Naboo Temple and The Audience with Boss Nass
8. The Droid Invasion and The Appearance of Darth Maul
9. Panaka and The Queen's Protectors
10. The Sith Spacecraft and The Droid Battle
11. Duel of the Fates
12. The High Council Meeting and Qui-Gon's Funeral

(I left off "Augie's Municipal Band and End Credits" since I'm not crazy about the opening "ya-ya" stuff and the rest of the end credits simply repeat Anakin's theme and "Duel of the Fates," the latter of which I have positioned near the end anyway. Same reason for omitting "Qui-Gon Gets Cut in Half with a Light Saber." wink)


Attack of the Clones:
1. Star Wars Main Title and Ambush on Coruscant
2. Across the Stars (Love Theme)
3. Yoda and the Younglings
4. Departing Coruscant
5. Jango's Escape
6. The Meadow Picnic
7. Bounty Hunter's Pursuit
8. The Tusken Camp and The Homestead
9. Love Pledge and The Arena
10. Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale


Revenge of the Sith:
1. Star Wars and Revenge of the Sith
2. Anakin's Dream
3. Anakin's Betrayal
4. Enter Lord Vader
5. Anakin's Dark Deeds
6. Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious
7. Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan
8. The Immolation Scene
9. The Birth of the Twins and Padme's Destiny
10. A New Hope and End Credits


These playlists flow smoothly for me and contain all my favorite parts from each score without much repetition (apart from the unparalleled Attack of the Clones love theme which I can't get enough of). But if anyone has the approximate film order of the tracks from The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones I'd appreciate it. I tried to rearrange The Phantom Menace as best I could from memory, granting that I haven't seen the film since '99. Attack of the Clones I didn't even bother with trying to rearrange, I remember so little of the film. For Revenge of the Sith, I used the order someone had listed in a thread on here.

And one last observation I've been dying to mention somehow somewhere: Has anybody else noticed that Game of Thrones appears in "Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale" between 2:53 and 2:57?! Go check it out and have your mind blown. wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

And one last observation I've been dying to mention somehow somewhere: Has anybody else noticed that Game of Thrones appears in "Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale" between 2:53 and 2:57?! Go check it out and have your mind blown. wink

THAT PLAGIARIST JOHN WILLIAMS STRIKES AGAIN

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

wink

 
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