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 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Richard Attenborough directed MAGIC release in 1978 which starred Anthony Hopkins and was scored by Jerry Goldsmith. The year before saw the release of the Attenborough directed A BRIDGE TOO FAR also starring Anthony Hopkins. Wonder if Dickie tried for Goldsmith on the that big War Pic? Now that would be a pretty good one I think if Goldsmith had scored it. So I'm wondering if Attenborough had Jerry in mind and had to wait to get him on MAGIC?

What a cast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-80JDYBVCQ

Also wonder if Dickie and Jerry ever met, way back on THE SAND PEBBLES?

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I don't know, but I'd say probably not.

Addison was a tank-hero in WWII and knew these theatres and the mindset of the soldiers. Also, Addison had scored a truly ironic and critical film about the military, namely Richardson's 'Charge of the Light Brigade'.

Goldsmith was always good, but I think he'd have given it less of an ironic feel and less of a jaunty thing. And Goldsmith, except when he's being oriental, is always American. Addison did manage some good 'Yank' stuff with the bridge builders and Gould etc. but could also do British, because he had that background musically as well as by experience of such events.

The music, apart from the civilian rhapsody scenes, doesn't concentrate on the serious stuff, or the horror, but ironically on the bungles, and on the comradeship.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Addison had scored 1964's GUNS AT BATASI, in which Attenborough played the lead. Addison also scored 1956's PRIVATE'S PROGRESS, in which Attenborough had a bit part. But Goldsmith had scored 1966's THE SAND PEBBLES, in which Attenborough co-starred.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Dead right BobD.I had the impression from somewhere that they may have been friends, Add and Att.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

DAMN!--double posts.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Sorry--skip down one.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

I know I seem like a broken record on this but I find Addison's work for BRIDGE the most detrimental score to a film since Jarre's RYAN'S DAUGHTER. (It's wishful thinking to imagine how one by Goldsmith would have lifted this film.) I recall Attenborough's gushing liner notes on the original LP and can't help but wonder, "what was he thinking?"

I also realize there's a British tradition in historical war films to underline it with a stalwart march. For my money this comes off as badly as Max Steiner's totally off the mark approach to THE CAINE MUTINY

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Speaking from no knowledge (cause that's what so many of us do on this board!), it's always seemed to be that Attenborough carefully chose his composers for what he wanted in a particular film.

I think of the two examples here - who better than Addison for Bridge? And Goldsmith for Magic - I still remember hearing the inhale/exhale of the harmonica for the first time in the theater, and realized that by damn Goldsmith had come up with a musical analogue for a "living" ventriloquist doll. A brilliant choice by the composer - and by the director.

And then the terrific interplay of Fenton and Shankar's score for Ghandi sort of saying, "yes, this is a Britisher's view of the man who ended British rule in India."

And the sweet sad sentimentality of Barry's score for Chaplin - the very ideal composer for a 90's biopic of the Little Tramp.

He seemed to always know best what he wanted musically and who he could work with to achieve his goals. He spoke about this specifically in the Barry Moviola documentary released at about the same time as Chaplin - which is on YouTube (though I've no idea where the Attenborough comments come in).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ-WfscDrdM

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   mrchriswell   (Member)

I think Addison's score is perfect. Loved it from the start. Jerry is not what this particular film needed. MacArthur fit his military style much better.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I think Addison's score is perfect. Loved it from the start. Jerry is not what this particular film needed. MacArthur fit his military style much better.


I absolutely agree with this. I'm very fond of A Bridge Too Far for lots of reasons, including Addison's pitch-perfect score.

On the strength of MacArthur and Patton, I'm sure Goldsmith would have come up with something much more suited to a Police Academy film...

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I think Addison's score is perfect. Loved it from the start. Jerry is not what this particular film needed. MacArthur fit his military style much better.


I absolutely agree with this. I'm very fond of A Bridge Too Far for lots of reasons, including Addison's pitch-perfect score.

On the strength of MacArthur and Patton, I'm sure Goldsmith would have come up with something much more suited to a Police Academy film...


Being so tall ...

... are you able to duck for cover? smile

I've watched the film a couple of times and admire it ... much more than I can say enjoy it. But, certainly, the music does not detract or seem wrong though I'm inclined to believe this is a British (European?) sense of view (hearing?) I'm glad it doesn't have an heroic, victorious score and whilst I like a lot of Mr. Goldsmith's scores I don't consider him to be the appropriate choice for this.

Having said that, I've not been tempted to get the score on CD, though do have the suite of themes as part of the Rumon Gamba / BBC Concert Orchestra recordings on Chandos.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I think Addison's score is perfect. Loved it from the start. Jerry is not what this particular film needed. MacArthur fit his military style much better.

First let me say I didn't have the problem with the Addison score Vinylscrubber had, maybe because I could hear the irony in his march as opposed to Steiner's. But I know of no composer who did not want to be pigeonholed for anything more than Jerry. The proof being was he was offered practically every military film that came out after PATTON and said no to all except two (MACARTHUR because he thought he was a contrasty general to PATTON, INCHON because he thought Korea was a very different type of conflict). But if you look at his war films before PATTON (IN HARM'S WAY, THE SAND PEBBLES, THE BLUE MAX, TORA! TORA! TORA!) you find a totally diverse approach each time leading me to believe he could have tackled the ironies of A BRIDGE TOO FAR just fine. He always made his scores fit like a glove and I don't see his style leaning away from the type of film A BRIDGE TOO FAR was. In fact his VON RYAN'S EXPRESS march reminds me a bit of the type of march A BRIDGE TOO FAR is.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I think Addison's score is perfect. Loved it from the start. Jerry is not what this particular film needed. MacArthur fit his military style much better.


I absolutely agree with this. I'm very fond of A Bridge Too Far for lots of reasons, including Addison's pitch-perfect score.

On the strength of MacArthur and Patton, I'm sure Goldsmith would have come up with something much more suited to a Police Academy film...


Being so tall ...

... are you able to duck for cover? smile



You know me, Mitch - life on the edge!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Goldsmith, except when he's being oriental, is always American.

You've never heard his score for Sebastian then?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Goldsmith, except when he's being oriental, is always American.

You've never heard his score for Sebastian then?


or UNDER FIRE or CONGO or BOYS FROM BRAZIL or CABOBLANCO or GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY or....

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   mrchriswell   (Member)

I think Addison's score is perfect. Loved it from the start. Jerry is not what this particular film needed. MacArthur fit his military style much better.


First let me say I didn't have the problem with the Addison score Vinylscrubber had, maybe because I could hear the irony in his march as opposed to Steiner's. But I know of no composer who did not want to be pigeonholed for anything more than Jerry. The proof being was he was offered practically every military film that came out after PATTON and said no to all except two (MACARTHUR because he thought he was a contrasty general to PATTON, INCHON because he thought Korea was a very different type of conflict). But if you look at his war films before PATTON (IN HARM'S WAY, THE SAND PEBBLES, THE BLUE MAX, TORA! TORA! TORA!) you find a totally diverse approach each time leading me to believe he could have tackled the ironies of A BRIDGE TOO FAR just fine. He always made his scores fit like a glove and I don't see his style leaning away from the type of film A BRIDGE TOO FAR was. In fact his VON RYAN'S EXPRESS march reminds me a bit of the type of march A BRIDGE TOO FAR is.


Jerry could handle most types of films well. That's what made him Jerry. It doesn't make him the best choice for every movie. I don't want to see Meryl Streep in everything either. No knock on her. As things stand, I'm thankful that Addison's march adds diversity to my military playlist, alongside Patton, McArthur and the rest.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   MOsdtks   (Member)

I know this is somewhat off topic but what makes a march an American march or British march, French, Italian, German and so forth? I don't have the musical knowledge to articulate it. I do however know it when I hear it. American marches tend to be brassy and have a bit of swing to them. British marches seem faster in tempo more woodwinds maybe. Both are wonderful.
Addison's score for A Bridge Too Far is one of my favorites. Helped a movie that was A Film Too Long.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Why didn't Attenborough use Carl Davis? He scored the World At War with an aura of tragedy to tie in with Olivier's perfectly pitched, mournful voiceover. This emotional sense comes through in Addison's score, especially the hardships bourne by the civilian population. I doubt Attenborough had anyone else in mind for Bridge but Addison. JG could have done it and we'd have accepted whatever he would have penned, although, I'm terribly fond of Addison's work on the score - I've got the Kritzerland.

The main title, the aerial armada, the american accent for Gould's dash to the bridge which is blown sky high in front of him (very similar to the scene in Kelly's Heroes when Oddball and crew think they can make it to the other side because a bridge is "still up") and of couse, the Bailey bridge construction sequence. And this is why I think Attenborough chose Addison - he was the film's one and only Bailey Bridge - musically speaking.

 
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