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 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 1:11 AM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

As I mentioned in a previous thread, I'm going through a Michael Kamen bender at the moment (lol), but one thing caught my attention among his work of the late 80s: collaboration, or "association" with other composers on a project.

Kamen himself called action movies "violent comic books"; the liner notes for the Lethal Weapon box suggested he disliked them, but I'm inclined to think the opposite, simply by looking at the sheer number of action movies he scored through the late 80s-mid 90s, often produced by Joel Silver. Among this clutter, however, are two projects from the late 80s that apparently faded into obscurity: Action Jackson and Dead Bang.

They couldn't be more different, and yet Kamen essentially acted as co-composer on both projects; I don't know what the circumstances were for the first movie, but he received equal billing with Herbie Hancock. On the second movie, apparently Gary Chang had finished (or was finishing) his score before the producers hired Kamen to provide an "edgy" atmosphere with his music, after the success of Die Hard according to Imdb; on that instance, Kamen is only credited for additional music. It's fascinating to watch the movie and try to pick out which piece of music was composed by Chang or Kamen, although Kamen's mix of piano, electronic pizzicato, and electric guitar is a dead giveaway.

I haven't looked at Action Jackson too closely (frankly I think it's an appalling movie, and I'm surprised Kamen accepted the job), but what about the rest of his fans? Is there any demand for a proper score release for these two flicks?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 1:52 AM   
 By:   amatalqa   (Member)

I'm dying for an expanded Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Would also be great if we got an expanded Hudson Hawk and License to Kill

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I just stumbled upon Kamen's - Concerto For Saxophone cd in jumble sale outlet here in Karachi. What a fantastic project this is-I don't know how I missed it out earlier but what a fine discovery.

I dont know if this is OOP or rare but is there a video recording of this because I can spot a few LDs on ebay.

Amin, can you share some insights? Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)



I dont know if this is OOP or rare but is there a video recording of this because I can spot a few LDs on ebay.



I've got the video. Basically its the Concerto played over some artyfarty videos - city scenes, landscapes etc. Kamen makes fleeting appearances in some (crossing a busy road, etc). Intercut with that are some scenes of Kamen conducting, surrounded by a few musicians. This has clearly been shot for the DVD and doesn't seem to be from any recording sessions.

There are interviews with Kamen, as well as Ray Cooper, George Harrison, David Gilmour etc, again accompanied by some behind the scenes shots of the actual recording sessions with the National Philharmonic (although they're brief).

Kamen talks a bit about some of the music (although ISTR more about the jazz-rock pieces). For instance, the piece called 'Zoe' reflects the times he would call to his daughter: "Ohh Zoe-ey...!" and that phrase is reflected in Sanborn's playing in the opening seconds of the piece (around 7 secs in). Play the track with that in mind and you'll see what he means...!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I always think that I should like Michael Kamen's music more than I do, and feel vaguely guilty about it. It's the same with Poledouris. An expanded Licence to Kill might put me on that road.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

As always would love to see more Kamen. The Lethal box was amazing and got a lot of play but had hoped it would lead to more Kamen releases. Especially from the 80s. Hoping the labels have some more on the radar.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

Not 80s nor action, but Nothing but Trouble is a very good and underappreciated Kamen score.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I enjoy Kamen's work but (much like Jarre) he tends to swing from "meh" to "fantastic". I am probably the one person on this board who likes the score to Die Hard 2 more than the original.

I would be totally down for having License To Kill expanded (I have no proof, but I get the feeling that the tanker chase at the end had some deleted music) and would especially like expansions to The Three Musketeers or Robin Hood (admittedly, they're both 90s).

Oh, and Highlander obviously. The more I see that movie, the more it seems that the music got hacked apart for the film ala Alien.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

I always think that I should like Michael Kamen's music more than I do, and feel vaguely guilty about it.

I feel totally the same way. Kamen's music is always consummately crafted, and his arrangements so attractive, and yet I just don't often connect with it viscerally. It tends to be a little busy for my tastes, enough to keep me an arm's length away.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

I enjoy Kamen's work but (much like Jarre) he tends to swing from "meh" to "fantastic". I am probably the one person on this board who likes the score to Die Hard 2 more than the original.


You're not. It's fantastic and the way Kamen turns up temperature with each section is amazing. The last 30 minutes is pure action heaven.

Ksrol

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

I know it's the wrong decade, but Last Action Hero! (Though a remastered Hudson Hawk would be great, and Highlander of course)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I'd definitely get an expanded "Licence to Kill" release.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2014 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

It's fantastic and the way Kamen turns up temperature with each section is amazing. The last 30 minutes is pure action heaven.

Ksrol


Currently listening to "Fight On The Wing" on repeat (even if it is missing those piano overdubs!)

Oh well, judging by the responses here, it seems Kamen's contributions to Action Jackson and Dead Bang don't have much appeal on their own. Carry on lol

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2014 - 11:25 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)



I haven't looked at Action Jackson too closely (frankly I think it's an appalling movie, and I'm surprised Kamen accepted the job),


You're welcome!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2014 - 11:43 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)



I haven't looked at Action Jackson too closely (frankly I think it's an appalling movie, and I'm surprised Kamen accepted the job),


You're welcome!


Hey, you're Kid Sable!

So, you had something to do with Action Jackson? If you wrote the story and/or screenplay, then you, sir, need to be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity.

In all seriousness, the tongue-in-cheek cheese in that film continues to bring some smiles to my face. It has certainly made life a bit more entertaining.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2014 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

So, you had something to do with Action Jackson? If you wrote the story and/or screenplay, then you, sir, need to be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity.

He did, and he's already admitted it. It's not like he wrote Dead Bang or Leonard Part 6.

I've been wanting to hear "Building Up Action Jackson" (the only score cut on the OST) but no luck.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2014 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

So, you had something to do with Action Jackson? If you wrote the story and/or screenplay, then you, sir, need to be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity.

He did, and he's already admitted it. It's not like he wrote Dead Bang or Leonard Part 6.

I've been wanting to hear "Building Up Action Jackson" (the only score cut on the OST) but no luck.


I have to admit I liked Dead Bang. If nothing else, it's got Ken Adam sets, and it's more lively than some Frankenheimer films of that era (I'm looking at you, Year of the Gun).

Leonard Part 6, could have really used Ken Adam sets. I don't even remember the Elmer Bernstein score, and that's not a good sign.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2014 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

For Queen And Country is an obscure 1988 Kamen film which also features music from Simon Goldenberg and Geoff MacCormack (from Wild Orchid fame).

 
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