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 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Original thread title: Joe Kraemer is scoring Mission Impossible 5!
He announced tonight on his Facebook page!

https://www.facebook.com/joekraemer/posts/10204182365855271


For those unfamiliar with his work, he scored Christopher McQuarrie's last film, Jack Reacher. Tom Cruise loved the score so much, he wrote about it for the liner notes of the CD album!

Here's a suite from the score:



It's available to purchase from La-La Land Records

http://lalalandrecords.com/Site/JackReacher.html



If you'd like to hear him sing, check out his song "(I'm Gonna) Take You Out Tonight" on Spotify!

http://open.spotify.com/album/1jFAuXNT9rfSicnRtVSRLc


His score to Favor, which is also La-La Land Records' first digital release, is also on Spotify

http://open.spotify.com/artist/1cqB0cMBR5OooKEEhRbWpl


Congrats from me to Joe, couldn't be happening to a nicer guy!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 2:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Great for Joe -- and it must help to have the power of influence of Tom Cruise in your back.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Magnificent news! His "Jack Reacher" score was fantastic.

And director Christopher McQuarrie obviously worked was impressed by him, too.

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

And lest we forget this masterwork...

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

And lest we forget his fine score to the grammatically erratic and cheesy-as-hell anthology show Femme Fatales:

http://moviescoremedia.com/femme-fatales-joe-kraemer/

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Wow, I know Giacchino and McQuarrie don't have a working relationship and McQuarrie and Kraemer do -- and Giacchino's probably ready to move on after two entries in the franchise -- but this is kind of disappointing news. Loved Giacchino's M:I scores, didn't care for Kraemer's JR score (hated that film).

Still, you never know. I'll try to keep an open mind.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Wow, I know Giacchino and McQuarrie don't have a working relationship and McQuarrie and Kraemer do -- and Giacchino's probably ready to move on after two entries in the franchise -- but this is kind of disappointing news.

I think that franchises like these (that have been around for decades) are much, much more fun when different composers and filmmakers get to work on each entry.

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2014 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I can already hear Kraemer bringing a heavy Schifrin-vibe to his eventual score. As LeHah posted above, I urge everyone to seek out his Way of the Gun score for a really fun and breezy score. Jack Reacher was excellent too; I don't know how anyone could hate said film and score but supposedly there are those who do. I found it to be an excellent Thriller, made for adults.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2014 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Loved Giacchino's M:I scores, didn't care for Kraemer's JR score (hated that film).

I didn't like the movie much myself, but the samples provided on this thread are very encouraging.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2014 - 1:13 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Here's a suite from the score:



It's available to purchase from La-La Land Records


...although the suite is only available on iTunes (but the CD does have an exclusive track on it).

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2014 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Wow, I know Giacchino and McQuarrie don't have a working relationship and McQuarrie and Kraemer do -- and Giacchino's probably ready to move on after two entries in the franchise -- but this is kind of disappointing news.

I think that franchises like these (that have been around for decades) are much, much more fun when different composers and filmmakers get to work on each entry.


While I wouldn't have protested if Giacchino had signed up with a third different director, I do agree with you here, absolutely -- I just don't happen to care for the particular chosen composer for this film nor, as it happens, for McQuarrie (outside his script for The Usual Suspects).

I thought The Way of the Gun had an amazing cast and was indeed stylishly effective but was too uneven and I thought Jack Reacher was terrible. I didn't care for the first two M:I films and I thought parts III (J.J. Abrams) and Ghost Protocol (Brad Bird) were tremendous films and commendable steps forward for the franchise, I just don't know that McQuarrie can attain that high level of quality that Abrams and Bird are capable of, IMO. I am willing to bet that McQuarrie will please a lot of fans with his version of M:I, I'm just cautious about how I will receive it based on my appreciation of his past work but as I've said, you never know, so I'll try to keep an open mind!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2014 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Yes, but who would have thought that a MISSION IMPOSSIBLE movie directed by a long-time animator who had never made a live action film before would be any good? I think the moral is that all the speculation is meaningless: You never know until you actually see it.

For the record, I think Bird made the best film of the bunch, followed by DePalma's, which I also really liked. The Woo and Abrams movies were virtually unwatchable for me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2014 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Yes, but who would have thought that a MISSION IMPOSSIBLE movie directed by a long-time animator who had never made a live action film before would be any good?

Umm, anyone who saw THE INCREDIBLES? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2014 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Yes, but if the ability to make an excellent animated movie directly translates into being able to make an excellent live-action picture as well... explain JOHN CARTER to me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2014 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Yes, but if the ability to make an excellent animated movie directly translates into being able to make an excellent live-action picture as well... explain JOHN CARTER to me.

Or The Chronicles Of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2014 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Not to be glib, but I don't need to explain why CARTER and NARNIA didn't work because Stanton and Adamson have nothing to do with Brad Bird. Who knows why. You were only asking about a MISSION IMPOSSIBLE movie.

You can watch THE INCREDIBLES and GHOST PROTOCOL, two somewhat similar team-on-a-mission movies with very similar action beats, and see the same basic building blocks at work. The shot composition, the pacing, the editing. Most specifically, you can see the way Bird builds an action sequence like a clock, layering an amalgam of exquisitely timed small beats into a cohesive (and exhilarating) whole that never loses its bearings. Spatial mechanics are completely clear from start to finish. That kind of precision is pretty much a necessity with a meticulous form like animation of course, but the same basic principles apply to making an action movie. THE INCREDIBLES is very much a live action movie that happens to be animated. Then when you add Bird's gifts with balancing character moments with the action beats, as evidenced in everything he's ever done, it wasn't a stretch to expect basically more of the same with a MISSION IMPOSSIBLE movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2014 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Yes, but although the end results of THE INCREDIBLES and MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE: GHOST: PROTOCOL may appear similar on screen, the way in which an animated movie is made (where an army of artists and and story producers have the luxury of planning, attempting, and redoing shots and sequences over several years) is completely different from how live-action movies are made (where a physical crew needs to go out into the world with a very limited amount of time to shoot... and the director needs to commit to on-the-spot decisions, and grapple with his actors' egos, weather conditions, physical space limitations, locations that they can't keep indefinitely, light going away, and a ticking clock that gets very, very expensive when people go into overtime).

Managing all that is a totally different skill-set, and frankly, it wasn't a "lock" that Bird would be adept at it. Bringing up Andrew Stanton is very relevant because he's an example of someone who wasn't able to adapt to live-action. Both Bird and Stanton had directed two excellent Pixar movies each at that point, and although JOHN CARTER wouldn't come out until a few months after MI4 did, there was already plenty of gossip around the industry throughout 2011 about how poorly Stanton had managed the shoot... going way, way over-schedule and doing endless takes for perfection's sake (at the expense of other aspects of the movie that probably needed more attention).

I didn't necessarily think Bird would make an embarrassing Mission: Impossible movie, but I ALSO didn't suspect that he would make to make one of the best action movies I've seen in the last decade or so. Neither scenario was a guarantee. It never is. Established, experienced directors can made lousy movies, and novice directors (live-action or otherwise) can make great ones. Same deal with composers. Same deal with Chris McQuarrie and Joe Kraemer.... you can't really judge how they've done until they've done it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2014 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yes, but if the ability to make an excellent animated movie directly translates into being able to make an excellent live-action picture as well... explain JOHN CARTER to me.

Easy: John Carter is a great movie.

It was Disney's marketing that dropped the ball there, not Stanton.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2014 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

I didn't necessarily think Bird would make an embarrassing Mission: Impossible movie, but I ALSO didn't suspect that he would make to make one of the best action movies I've seen in the last decade or so.

But that's kind of what I'm getting at. He's made two of the best action movies in the last decade. THE INCREDIBLES was the first one. With respect I think you're overstating the significance of principal photography as a variable in this particular equation. At the end of the day, the mechanics of the shoot are a slave to story, editing, casting, etc. It's still basically an exercise of the same muscles. Hell, most of these tentpole live-action movies are pre-vizzed to within an inch of their lives anyway; they might as well be animated.

As for Stanton (or Bird for that matter), being able to manage a shoot isn't necessarily indicative of quality - either the product's or the director's. Look at JAWS.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2014 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I can already hear Kraemer bringing a heavy Schifrin-vibe to his eventual score. As LeHah posted above, I urge everyone to seek out his Way of the Gun score for a really fun and breezy score. Jack Reacher was excellent too; I don't know how anyone could hate said film and score but supposedly there are those who do. I found it to be an excellent Thriller, made for adults.

I agree with Deputy here. I found both Jack Reacher the film to be bland and Kraemer's writing for the music. I expect Mission Impossible will give him a better chance to use bigger themes so I'm glad to see him moving on to a new project.

 
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