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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2014 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Just curious where you fall on the spectrum. Talking about your earliest experiences. For me it was more subliminal, but there were exceptions (like wanting the Dark Shadows LP). Talking about film and TV music in general.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm not sure I quite understand the topic. Are you talking about how we experienced film music in our earlier days?

We've done a few threads like that over the years. In my childhood years, I had no conscious connection to film music, so it was only part of the total film experience (subliminal). Then in my early adolescence -- as a burgeoing film buff -- I became more and more fascinated by all aspects of the artform, including the music.

However, parallell to that was an unrelated interest in soundtrack albums as an extension of listening to prog rock, electronic music etc. Soundtracks as concept albums. This was very much an overt, conscious thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Yes. What I'm asking is that most of here are interested in "film music" to some degree or another. I'm just curious if, for most of us, it hit us over the head and we immediately wanted to know if we could buy an album of this stuff; or if it kind of subconsciously seduced us without our being aware.

For example, as a kid, I loved "Star Trek" and "Lost in Space," and I really wanted albums of those two, and none were available. But those were the exceptions; most of my conscious interest in music was more pop-related.

On the other hand, while my parents were watching TV and I was either doing homework or playing with toys, I was subconsciously drinking all this stuff in without realizing.

But then I will read here about someone as a kid seeing a movie, loving the music right away, and having to have the album immediately. I'm not sure this ever happened to me until I was already into "film music."

So, yeah, I'm just curious where people fall on the spectrum.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I suppose the short answer would be "subliminal" in my case, Onya. I don't think I'm much different from the rest of us "of a certain age" in that I'd been watching stuff like "Thunderbirds" or "The Man From UNCLE" or "Star Trek" on the telly since very young, and knew the music like the back of my hand. Later, even at the age of about twelve, I taped all the music off those shows and started doing the same for horror films (at first). Still never registered that there were real people writing all those notes. It only dawned on me later when I started reading the credits that the same "Music by.." names would crop up, and that's when I started on the lookout for LPs. But I didn't really become a "fan(boy)" or "collector" or "enthusiast" until about the mid-'70s, when I started seeing quite a few score LPs in the shops which drew my attention. But I'd been soaking it all in for about the previous ten years without knowing it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think I'm one of very few people here (perhaps even the only one) who weren't initially attracted to soundtrack album listening by way of the films. That seems a rather unique pathway into this weird interest of ours, and it will inevitably inform how I want them to be presented -- with a higher emphasis on the listening experience and the album programming than any particular need to own all the music from a film, in the film's narrative order (which seems to be more important to those who came into soundtracks through films).

In that respect, the 'overt'/'subliminal' dichotomy doesn't really apply at all. At most, it would apply to my interest in films, not soundtracks.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

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 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

Watching 'supplements' on recent 'Films of Jacques Demy' blu-ray set. A lot of interviews with Michel Legrand. Twice Legrand is asked if 'the best film music shouldn't be heard' (subliminal response) to which both he and Demy respond, 'Absurd. That's horrible. And I suppose the best movies shouldn't be seen? Come to the theatre blindfolded and deaf'.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Watching 'supplements' on recent 'Films of Jacques Demy' blu-ray set. A lot of interviews with Michel Legrand. Twice Legrand is asked if 'the best film music shouldn't be heard' (subliminal response) to which both he and Demy respond, 'Absurd. That's horrible. And I suppose the best movies shouldn't be seen? Come to the theatre blindfolded and deaf'.

But that doesn't mean that viewers don't sometimes experience the music subliminally.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2014 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Overt in my case. My first favorite film was Mary Poppins (at four years old for heaven's sake) and I listened to that and other Disney albums constantly. I think that's a way to train your mind to pay attention to the music.

Bond was next, and I remember my supreme disappointment when I got this album at 9 or 10 and knew immediately that this wasn't the music featured in Bond movies.



But then I was the kind of kid who knew the names of all the actors in all the tv shows on TV (I would read TV Guide religiously).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I think I'm one of very few people here (perhaps even the only one) who weren't initially attracted to soundtrack album listening by way of the films.

YUP!

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

In my case, I would say I wasn't really pulled into film music for a long time. I spent more time playing video games than watching movies when growing up so I got more into video game soundtracks than film scores. In those cases, we usually did get full soundtrack releases, sometimes on four discs, so the idea of shorter albums seemed kinda strange to me. Sometimes I would wish for a shorter album but then I always wondered if it would mean that my favorite tracks were left off.

With video games you listen to the same cues on repeat a lot more because an area's theme, battle theme, or world map theme is on loop for hours on end. So you get hooked in the same way as a solid TV theme really grows on people. So early on I bought a few soundtracks from video games because they let me re-live the experience of playing the game without spending the time to play it. Now I get the same enjoyment from a good score though the re-living part is secondary and only exists in a small number of cases.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2014 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Bond was next, and I remember my supreme disappointment when I got this album at 9 or 10 and knew immediately that this wasn't the music featured in Bond movies.


Yeah, but you got a KILLER album cover, which is just as important as the music.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2014 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

For me, I think it was overt.

Believe it or not, the first film / TV music I fell in love with was actually "Star Trek: The Animated Series".

As a five year old, I loved that series and it was in the children's after-school cartoon slot. I didn't even know a live action series existed at that point.

But the first time I asked for a "record" (as we called them then) was when the James Bond films started showing on television. I just loved the music. It was "Big Bond Movie Themes".

Then "Star Wars" happened.

However, despite being wowed by the music in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", "Moonraker" and "The Black Hole" in 1979, I did not extend my record collection or think of myself as a film music fan until I saw "The Omen" on its British television premiere. (Strictly speaking, I was way too young to be watching it.)

Those opening bars made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

I made it my mission to get that music and it was in that mission I discovered "Discount Soundtracks" (later: Movie Boulevard) and realized that all the music I'd already loved like the ORIGINAL James Bond film music, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", "The Black Hole", etc, was just sitting there waiting for me to buy it.

That's my origins story.

Since all that is what I would call 'overt' film music, I guess we can say my initial lure was overt.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2021 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Bump.

I was just getting ready to start a thread like this, only to find out that an earlier version of me already started one in 2014.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2021 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

I think that, for me, it would have to be the subliminal effect.

From an early age the television was always on in our house - even when there was nothing to specifically watch my parents would switch on the TV regardless. So, there was always some noise going on in the background including film and TV music.

And shows that were constantly on would always have their music being played, so TV themes were played over and over again and some I would like and some I wouldn't like. I suppose it got to the stage that at some point I would look forward to my favourite themes being played on TV and I would make a point of listening to them.

And shows that were constantly being shown - Star Trek, Laurel and Hardy, Tom and Jerry, etc - where the same pieces of music were being played over and over again (maybe not in the case of Tom and Jerry), they would become more and more familiar and I would notice them appearing again and again.

It was only after a while that I would begin to appreciate that some of these themes/tunes could be bought on LPs - usually as theme compilation albums. But it was a further while before the soundtrack album was something I knew I could buy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2021 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I think that, for me, it would have to be the subliminal effect.

From an early age the television was always on in our house - even when there was nothing to specifically watch my parents would switch on the TV regardless. So, there was always some noise going on in the background including film and TV music.

And shows that were constantly on would always have their music being played, so TV themes were played over and over again and some I would like and some I wouldn't like. I suppose it got to the stage that at some point I would look forward to my favourite themes being played on TV and I would make a point of listening to them.

And shows that were constantly being shown - Star Trek, Laurel and Hardy, Tom and Jerry, etc - where the same pieces of music were being played over and over again (maybe not in the case of Tom and Jerry), they would become more and more familiar and I would notice them appearing again and again.

It was only after a while that I would begin to appreciate that some of these themes/tunes could be bought on LPs - usually as theme compilation albums. But it was a further while before the soundtrack album was something I knew I could buy.


With "Star Trek," we didn't get an LP until the 1980s with "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before."

Of course, there were those Leonard Nimoy albums. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2021 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

If I remember, at the time there was no thought of being able to hear the music from TV shows on album. Even if there were any LPs I am not sure my local stores would have stocked them.

It was only when, several years down the line when I was well into listening to film and TV music albums that I would have thought of what they chances were of hearing the music of TV shows on similar soundtrack albums.

It's funny that, even though I was a big fan of American TV shows from the seventies and eighties, even though I loved some of the themes I never paid much attention to the music in the shows themselves.

It's the nostalgic notions I have for these old shows that sparks an interest in the music released now. But the experiences of listening to these multi-CD releases of music from old TV shows now is one of a trip into the unknown.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2021 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

With "Star Trek," we didn't get an LP until the 1980s with "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before."

I can't recall the timings for these releases but I do remember being excited with the GNP Crescendo and Varese releases of early Star Trek scores. And they were mostly excellent bridges to the Star Trek box that eventually arrived.

Funny, but I was never really attracted by those solo albums from Nimoy, et al.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2021 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

If I remember, at the time there was no thought of being able to hear the music from TV shows on album. Even if there were any LPs I am not sure my local stores would have stocked them.

It was only when, several years down the line when I was well into listening to film and TV music albums that I would have thought of what they chances were of hearing the music of TV shows on similar soundtrack albums.

It's funny that, even though I was a big fan of American TV shows from the seventies and eighties, even though I loved some of the themes I never paid much attention to the music in the shows themselves.

It's the nostalgic notions I have for these old shows that sparks an interest in the music released now. But the experiences of listening to these multi-CD releases of music from old TV shows now is one of a trip into the unknown.


There were some TV shows that got a concurrent soundtrack LP release. Examples would include Peter Gunn and several of its knockoffs; The Man from UNCLE; and the aforementioned Dark Shadows.

For UK shows, we got The Saint, Danger Man AKA Secret Agent, and Space:1999.

I'm sure there were other examples, but it was certainly the exception and not the rule.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2021 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

If I remember, at the time there was no thought of being able to hear the music from TV shows on album. Even if there were any LPs I am not sure my local stores would have stocked them.

It was only when, several years down the line when I was well into listening to film and TV music albums that I would have thought of what they chances were of hearing the music of TV shows on similar soundtrack albums.

It's funny that, even though I was a big fan of American TV shows from the seventies and eighties, even though I loved some of the themes I never paid much attention to the music in the shows themselves.

It's the nostalgic notions I have for these old shows that sparks an interest in the music released now. But the experiences of listening to these multi-CD releases of music from old TV shows now is one of a trip into the unknown.


There were some TV shows that got a concurrent soundtrack LP release. Examples would include Peter Gunn and several of its knockoffs; The Man from UNCLE; and the aforementioned Dark Shadows.

For UK shows, we got The Saint, Danger Man AKA Secret Agent, and Space:1999.

I'm sure there were other examples, but it was certainly the exception and not the rule.


I think that, back then, I just never made the connection of there being soundtrack LPs being available for TV shows. Thinking about it now, I only ever remember having a single record of the Dr. Who theme and an LP of Mission: Impossible before CDs came along. I had plenty of LPs for movie soundtracks but hardly any vinyl of TV music. It does seem a bit weird.

 
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