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"The Big Gundown."
I thought you were talking about recent events in the Maryland/Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C.
Can a TV-movie be far behind?
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Oct 29, 2002 - 2:24 AM
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plindboe
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"The big gundown" sure is fabulous, and a favorite of many, but personally there are at least 10 of his western scores I love above that one. Well, I guess we all have different taste.
cdesmedt,
About "Sonny and Jed", the CD with "Professione figlio/La banda J & S/Le monachine" also contains the nice cue; "J & S waltz" which isn't on the LP release, plus a longer version of "The saloon's girls", but other than that, I'm pretty sure nothing else has been made available. It sure is a weird score, and a least favorite of many, but I must admit that it has a certain charm.
Peter 
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Oct 29, 2002 - 5:11 PM
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betenoir
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"The big gundown" sure is fabulous, and a favorite of many, but personally there are at least 10 of his western scores I love above that one. Well, I guess we all have different taste.
Peter
Which ten would they be? I certainly like GB&U, Fistful of Dollars, and For a Few dollars More, plus Once Upon A Time in the West, but others I have heard tend to have some really sappy vocal tracks. I'd like to find some more, and now I'll look for Big Gundown. Is there a release of Seven Guns for the McGregors? There is a cut from it on The Legendary Italian Westerns CD, but I'd like to have more.
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Oct 29, 2002 - 7:51 PM
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plindboe
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Which ten would they be? I certainly like GB&U, Fistful of Dollars, and For a Few dollars More, plus Once Upon A Time in the West, but others I have heard tend to have some really sappy vocal tracks. I'd like to find some more, and now I'll look for Big Gundown. Is there a release of Seven Guns for the McGregors? There is a cut from it on The Legendary Italian Westerns CD, but I'd like to have more.
Sappy? You mean with wordless soprano? Apart from the main title from "Once upon a time in the west" I can only think of 2 other western themes that could be considered sappy; The love theme from "Guns for San Sebastian" and "Duck, you sucker". But I love both of these themes far more than that famous theme from "Once upon a time in the west". I even love both scores more too. I might have left some out by accident, but still, here is a top20 of my personal favorite Morricone westerns:
1.Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo(The good, the bad and the ugly)
2.Per qualche dollaro in piu'(For a few dollars more)
3.Giu la testa(Duck, you sucker/A fistful of dynamite)
4.Il mio nome e'Nessuno(My name is Nobody)
5.Guns for San Sebastian
6.C'era una volta il west(Once upon a time in the west)
7.Occhio alla penna(A fist goes west)
8.Un esercito di 5 uomini(The five man army)
9.Un genio, due compari, un pollo(The genius)
10.Il grande Silenzio(The great Silence)
11.La resa dei conti(The big gundown)
12.Gli avvoltoi hanno fame(Two mules for Sister Sara)
13.Per un pugno di dollari(A fistful of dollars)
14.Da uomo a uomo(Death rides a horse)
15.Faccia a faccia(Face to face)
16.Il mercenario(A professional gun)
17.Vamos a matar, compañeros
18.Tepepa(Blood and guns)
19.Navajo Joe
20.Una pistola per Ringo(A pistol for Ringo)
I advice you highly to buy the double CD "An Ennio Morricone western quintet", which contains nos. 3, 4, 7, 17 & 18 from my top20.
About "Seven Guns for the McGregors", only those 2 tracks on your CD has been released. There are actually several of his great western scores, where only a few tracks have been released. I'd love to see proper releases of "Sette pistole per i MacGregor", "Sette donne per i MacGregor", "La vita a volte e' molto dura, vero providenza?" & "Ci risiamo, vero providenza?". And yes, I know they have very long and weird titles, but the scores from the movies should all be very good, I've heard.
Peter
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Oct 29, 2002 - 10:35 PM
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betenoir
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Sappy? You mean with wordless soprano? Apart from the main title from "Once upon a time in the west" I can only think of 2 other western themes that could be considered sappy; The love theme from "Guns for San Sebastian" and "Duck, you sucker".
I advice you highly to buy the double CD "An Ennio Morricone western quintet", which contains nos. 3, 4, 7, 17 & 18 from my top20.
Peter
Thanks for the list. Actually, the wordless soprano is fine. I do have the Quintet, and it is some of the vocals there that I like least. I think just because they wanted to put something in rhyming English, the words are often a real stretch, and typically inappropriate, with a 60s pop style to boot. They are the weak point of the CDs.
On the other hand, I think a LOT of otherwise excellent film scores are ruined by vocal tracks that have nothing to do with the film or the music. There are many examples, but for one, what is an anachronistic Bryan Adams rock song doing in a symphonic score like Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves? An hour of music builds up a great mood, which is then destroyed by something totally out of character.
Back to the topic, I too would like to see more of these released, especially the MacGregors (minus any bad vocals).
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When it comes to Spaghetti Westerns and Ennio Morricone, nearly everybody and their Great Grandma thinks of “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly”. And while there’s no denying the power of that, it’s hardly the be all and end all of Morricone’s Spaghetti Westerns.
The Big Gundown is great. Powerful, good themes, raw female voice, thrilling twangy fender, mule/donkey ee-aws and animal shrieks, classical references, all the best Morricone hallmarks.
But let's get serious here: The Good The Bad and The Ugly, it aint.
OUATITW is classy, but for variety alone, GBU is his western masterpiece.
And that is head and shoulders above some very, very strong candidates.
(Actually my Nan - who loved westerns - her favourite Morricone western score was Two Mules for Sister Sara. She particularly adored Alex's girls - Julie, Edda and Gianna - doing the Nun's choir!!).
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Apr 12, 2014 - 2:36 AM
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Thomas
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1.Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo(The good, the bad and the ugly)
2.Per qualche dollaro in piu'(For a few dollars more)
3.Giu la testa(Duck, you sucker/A fistful of dynamite)
4.Il mio nome e'Nessuno(My name is Nobody)
5.Guns for San Sebastian
6.C'era una volta il west(Once upon a time in the west)
7.Occhio alla penna(A fist goes west)
8.Un esercito di 5 uomini(The five man army)
9.Un genio, due compari, un pollo(The genius)
10.Il grande Silenzio(The great Silence)
11.La resa dei conti(The big gundown)
12.Gli avvoltoi hanno fame(Two mules for Sister Sara)
13.Per un pugno di dollari(A fistful of dollars)
14.Da uomo a uomo(Death rides a horse)
15.Faccia a faccia(Face to face)
16.Il mercenario(A professional gun)
17.Vamos a matar, compañeros
18.Tepepa(Blood and guns)
19.Navajo Joe
20.Una pistola per Ringo(A pistol for Ringo)
Leaving the debate aside regarding which is your personal favourite, looking at the titles on this list reminds one of the great music Morricone has written for these films. Several have since been excellent FSM releases, of course. Others have had fine expanded releases as well. 'Once Upon A Time..West' has always been a favourite for me, but it's hard to choose from so many great scores.
This has put me in the mood for some listening today. 'Navajo Joe', 'Five Man Army', 'San Sebastian' and 'Death Rides a Horse', will do for starters
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Love, love love The Big Gundown, both score and movie. Took years to track down a decent soundtrack cd, and a dvd of the film. However, at the moment the dvd is only a bootleg of the complete version. Obviously I need to replace this with a 'real' one. So, as I also upgrade to Blu-ray, do I go with this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Big-Gundown-Blu-ray-Lee-Cleef/dp/B00FMDL4UK/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1397311519&sr=1-1&keywords=big+gundown
or this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gundown-Remastered-Definition-Language-Subtitles/dp/B00JHUIVTG/ref=sr_1_7?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1397311519&sr=1-7&keywords=big+gundown
The German one appears to be the same as mine, that is complete and in English, with only the restored scenes in original Italian.
But comparing the greater Morricone scores is futile. On different days I have a different favourite! However I think TG, tB & tU has to be the winner. In the last expanded version it comes out as a far better listening experience as a whole than TBG. When it comes to individual tracks then Christie's vocal Main Title is a stunner, as is both versions of the theme used starting with that hunting scene. That's a strange one. Both versions are played one after the other, which surprised me as I expected them to be at two different parts of the movie.
I'm also surprised at Occhia Alla Penna coming anywhere in anyone's top 20. I find it unusually uninteresting apart from the slow honky tonk piano piece. Included on that Quintet collection it certainly comes out as the worst. But all this talk is making me want to track down the last few soundtracks I don't have, which includes Face to Face, and The Hellbenders.
Finally, on the subject of the various songs, the ones sung by Christie are wonderful, and the wordless operatic stuff by Edda are beyond criticism, whereas the male vocals are funny at the same time as being addictive. The music is superb, and the vocal performances certainly spirited, but as folks have said, often the lyrics have to be heard to be believed! I think of them as being cheesy guilty pleasures. And that includes the sung version of Sixty Seconds to What? “Let the sun shine upon the sins of man....!”
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