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 Posted:   Nov 1, 2014 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Rimsky deleted the vocal parts, changed harmonies, changed orchestration, changed the structure of the piece (including deleting sections--look how much shorter it is)...it was a pretty thorough overhaul, much more drastic than say Mahler's modest revisions of Schumann's symphonies which many purists reject. I prefer the composers' original. Strange how many people are happier with the Rimsky. Sure it's still exciting but he made it too refined IMO.

Yavar


Actually I like them both...

Now shall we discuss the original BORIS GODUNOV versus the Rimsky version? There are strong partisans on each side! And there's a Shostakovich revision as well that I've never heard.

Poor Mussorgsky--so much of his music has been subject to tampering.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)

I’ve heard many variations over the years and I usually go back to Stokowski’s version with the LSO (1966) even if it’s Rimsky-Korsakov’s rework. Perhaps it’s because that was the first version I heard, but it seems to work best for my listening pleasure.

I assume this is the Phase 4 LP you're referring to:
https://www.discogs.com/Stravinsky-Mussorgsky-Stokowski-London-Symphony-Orchestra-Firebird-Suite-Night-On-The-Bare-Mountain/release/2330884

This is the version I've listened to by far the most too and I love it but I'm not sure whether it's the Rimsky-Korsakov adaptation or the version Stokowski adapted himself, does anyone know for sure?

In terms of Mussorgsky's original version, has anyone heard the below version conducted by Krill Karabits and know how it compares to the Salonen conducted version? Any points of view appreciated!

http://www.onyxclassics.com/cddetail.php?CatalogueNumber=ONYX4074

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I second the recommendations above for both the Salonen and the Abbado performances of the original Mussorgsky score, even though the Rimsky-Korsakoff version is also very good (and probably the more famous one).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   sdtom   (Member)

I’ve heard many variations over the years and I usually go back to Stokowski’s version with the LSO (1966) even if it’s Rimsky-Korsakov’s rework. Perhaps it’s because that was the first version I heard, but it seems to work best for my listening pleasure.

I assume this is the Phase 4 LP you're referring to:
https://www.discogs.com/Stravinsky-Mussorgsky-Stokowski-London-Symphony-Orchestra-Firebird-Suite-Night-On-The-Bare-Mountain/release/2330884

This is the version I've listened to by far the most too and I love it but I'm not sure whether it's the Rimsky-Korsakov adaptation or the version Stokowski adapted himself, does anyone know for sure?

In terms of Mussorgsky's original version, has anyone heard the below version conducted by Krill Karabits and know how it compares to the Salonen conducted version? Any points of view appreciated!

http://www.onyxclassics.com/cddetail.php?CatalogueNumber=ONYX4074


could you're favorite have anything to do with the london phase four recordings? i find them most pleasant

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   sdtom   (Member)

shouldn't this thread be in the non film discussions?

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

shouldn't this thread be in the non film discussions?

There's Disney and David Shire . . .

In the broader sense, there's the topic of program music in general as the OST for a movie that was never filmed. Discuss. Welcome to Cawffee Klotch.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   cine50   (Member)

Since it will inevitably be used over the next few days for commercials, Halloween specials, etc., I was curious as to your preferences. I’ve heard many variations over the years and I usually go back to Stokowski’s version with the LSO (1966) even if it’s Rimsky-Korsakov’s rework. Perhaps it’s because that was the first version I heard, but it seems to work best for my listening pleasure.
Versions by David Lloyd-Jones ("St. John's Night on the Bare Mountain", 1971) and others such as Bernstein seem to slow down too much in mid-stream or mellow out too soon for me.



Ever since I first heard it in 1970 (or so), Night on Bald Mountain performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and conducted by Georges Prêtre has been the performance that I always compare all other performances to. What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqmBpchjSk0

Ed G.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   cine50   (Member)

Since it will inevitably be used over the next few days for commercials, Halloween specials, etc., I was curious as to your preferences. I’ve heard many variations over the years and I usually go back to Stokowski’s version with the LSO (1966) even if it’s Rimsky-Korsakov’s rework. Perhaps it’s because that was the first version I heard, but it seems to work best for my listening pleasure.
Versions by David Lloyd-Jones ("St. John's Night on the Bare Mountain", 1971) and others such as Bernstein seem to slow down too much in mid-stream or mellow out too soon for me.



Ever since I first heard it in 1970 (or so), Night on Bald Mountain performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and conducted by Georges Prêtre has been the performance that I always compare all other performances to. What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqmBpchjSk0

Ed G.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)



In the broader sense, there's the topic of program music in general as the OST for a movie that was never filmed. Discuss.





Don't be so sure .... 'anyone familiar with this little charmer?:


 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

shouldn't this thread be in the non film discussions?


Loads of film connections with this piece Tom. It's loose but no one is complaining. ( cept you wink )

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   sdtom   (Member)

shouldn't this thread be in the non film discussions?


Loads of film connections with this piece Tom. It's loose but no one is complaining. ( cept you wink )


I just know how rigid Bregt can be thought this was a classical recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2017 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)

The history of this composition gets more confusing the more you look into it!

Does anyone know if these two choral recordings are essentially the same version or are they different iterations by Mussorgsky?

https://delosmusic.com/recording/heaven-and-hell-macal-conducts-mussorgsky/

and

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00008A8OX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Any help appreciated!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2017 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

I love the choral version that Mussorgsky incorporated into Sorochintsy Fair, which he called The Lad's Dream. I believe this predates the Rimsky-Korsakov version (if I remember correctly from the liner notes to the recording on the Chandos label, quite a good recording) and that Rimsky-Korsakov mostly based his version on The Lad's Dream. And the original version, which as others described above as more wild and ragged than the cleaner more famous version, is quite good too.

 
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