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 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

One simple question: Does the complete score exist? If not, WHY NOT!? It's GREAT!!

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

One simple question: Does the complete score exist? If not, WHY NOT!? It's GREAT!!

Rights are a complete mess

Sorry

frown

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

Too bad. :-( This is a great score that shows another side to John Williams and just how versatile he is.

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Rights are a complete mess


That's better to hear than "no tapes survive" (ie. Dracula)! We'd heard for years that rights were a mess on stuff like Back to the Future and Heavy Metal. Sometimes these things can eventually be sorted out...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The existing album is perfect the way it is!

(sorry, I had to say it).

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yes, we know it's perfect -- for you. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

The existing album is perfect the way it is!

(sorry, I had to say it).


There's Thorbot again with his automated response. I'll agree with you this time and say that the album is indeed very good.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   TerryLee   (Member)

This is my absolute favorite movie score and has been since I first heard it in a theater when the film was released in 1969 (yeh, I'm that old).

I have both the Varese Sarabande Club and slightly-expanded Sony editions, but two things always bothered me: 1) I'm not a big fan of Williams's combining several cues into a single suite, which is what he did for the first track and several others. I would love to hear the cues, short though they may be, as they appeared in the film.
2) I really miss being able to hear on demand the music underscoring the climactic race. It evokes a feeling of suspended time and is the perfect accompaniment to the slow-motion sequence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to have the score on non-bootleg CDs, but I hold onto the hope that some day I'll be able to enjoy the score the way I first experienced it in 1969 in its entirety. As my daughter would remind me, this is a true Third World problem!

Great to hear from fellow "Reivers" fans.

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

We'd heard for years that rights were a mess on stuff like Back to the Future and Heavy Metal. Sometimes these things can eventually be sorted out...

True; I'm sure even the people at La-La Land didn't think they'd have released some of the ones they eventually have.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

I'm sure this has been asked and answered before, but are the two instrumental sections of the 18-minute narrated suite that aren't on the CDs part of the original soundtrack? Or are they pieces Williams wrote later for the suite?

Specifically I mean the instrumental material that comes immediately after the narrator says: "The first car in town" and the horse race music near the end.

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

None of that was from the score -- it was all composed specifically for the suite.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 9:50 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Thanks Doc!
Oh how I love those two pieces. I wish Williams would write totally new music for suites more often^

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Even if this can't be expanded, it needs to be REMASTERED badly.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

I'm sure this has been asked and answered before, but are the two instrumental sections of the 18-minute narrated suite that aren't on the CDs part of the original soundtrack? Or are they pieces Williams wrote later for the suite?

Specifically I mean the instrumental material that comes immediately after the narrator says: "The first car in town" and the horse race music near the end.


It's already been noted that Williams composed those 2 pieces just for the Suite, but since the Suite's "Horse Race Scherzo" is one of the most exhilarating things he ever wrote, (and that's saying a lot!) and the "First Car In Town" is so delightful, I "extracted" them for stand alone listening, using Audacity.

If you're good with that sort of thing, it's pretty easy to do. Both of those passages start after a tiny pause in the narration so they begin very cleanly. Then you can fade them out or do some other trickery to give them proper conclusions.

Like everyone else on this thread, I love "The Reivers", and cherish it in both its exisiting LP presentation as well as the suite with narration. And since most of us have pipe-dreamed in this manner - my personal "Spartacus" presentation would include the original LP, the complete film version (I agree that the "Slow-Motion" horse race is a grail, and an amazing contrast to the Suite approach), stand-alone recordings of the Suite-Only tracks, and why not include the Suite with Narration too? Just a pipe-dream, folks, you don't need to start reminding me about rights issues with The Pops, etc.

As I often note, when it comes to the Thor Theory, I heartily agree that the original LPs are wonderful and should be preserved wherever possible. But for some of us, the desire to enjoy the film versions and extra goodies is no crime. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 10:04 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)



It's already been noted that Williams composed those 2 pieces for just for the Suite, but since the Suite's "Horse Race Scherzo" is one of the most exhilarating things he ever wrote, (and that's saying a lot!) and the "First Car In Town" is so delightful, I "extracted" them for stand alone listening in Audacity.


Ha^ I think I did that with a cassette when the CD first came out^ I may have been the first person in the whole world to do that.. maybe^. Update, perhaps not as I didn't come across the CD until a few years after its release.
Absolutely agree, those two pieces make for great little stand-alone listens.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)



It's already been noted that Williams composed those 2 pieces for just for the Suite, but since the Suite's "Horse Race Scherzo" is one of the most exhilarating things he ever wrote, (and that's saying a lot!) and the "First Car In Town" is so delightful, I "extracted" them for stand alone listening in Audacity.


Ha^ I think I did that with a cassette when the CD first came out^ I may have been the first person in the whole world to do that.. maybe^. They make for great little stand-alone listens.


We all share a lot of DNA buddy!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Where's the "like" button??

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2014 - 10:11 PM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

Where's the "like" button??

;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2014 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

I'm sure this has been asked and answered before, but are the two instrumental sections of the 18-minute narrated suite that aren't on the CDs part of the original soundtrack? Or are they pieces Williams wrote later for the suite?

Specifically I mean the instrumental material that comes immediately after the narrator says: "The first car in town" and the horse race music near the end.


To add more info about the suite, John Williams wrote it in 1980, for the opening of his first season with the Boston Pops. He recorded it years later in 1991.

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2018 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I had a listen to some of this score, and it's a smile-bringer!

 
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