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 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)


Ha, each to his own. I prefer 3 to 2, in fact I think the Lost World is quite poor, although it has the best sequence out of the three in the T Rex attack on the camp at night (just shows you what the film could have been). But I don't really rate any of them, & think the first one is really overrated & hasn't aged too well , I can't even be bothered to watch it when it comes on the telly these days.


I couldn't agree more

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Am I the only one who thought that III was an improvement after II

The Lost World is the worst thing Spielberg has made. A girl uses unparallel bars to kick a dinosaur through a wall, for crissake.

JP3 for all it's flaws, is at least a fun romp that stays the course.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Everyone raves on about that gymnastics scene as the only excuse to lambast the film. It's not the best scene in the film, agreed, but it's not as excruciating as people make it to be. Besides, it's just a minor thing compared to BRILLIANCE that is present in so many other scenes. I've hardly ever seen as intense action setpieces as this film, bursting with fantastic ideas, that have hardly been replicated before or since (except maybe Spielberg's own INDIANA JONES movies).

On top of that is the wonderful atmosphere, the camerawork, the music etc.

Just a TOP film, in my book. People should save their 'slaughter' adjectives for undeniable crap like BABY - SECRET OF THE LOST LEGEND.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Thor, sure it is (excruciating).

Forget that though. Focus instead on the unbelievable naivity of a trained academic researcher who heedlessly & recklessly glories in the wonders of the life upon the islands... there be PREHISTORIC CARNIVORES on this island! HELLO! H-E-L-L-O!!!! Did you not study that spectrum of the Jurassic etc. eras? Have you not contemplated the voracious appetites of these unpredictable and incredibly swift colossal entities? I realize as a fulcrum for the story, and with Goldblum balancing/countering, it serves its purpose, and yet said researcher was, as Tom Cruise put it, a little too "galactically stupid" for my taste.

(no weapons, no emergency plans, no escape routes, no escort, no occassional nervous glance to scan the trees, etc. etc. etc. )

You`re right: there is alot to like in JP 2. Postlethwaite and Goldblum being a big part of that. And I still enjoyed it. And yes, the bus sequence is one of the finest 'set pieces' ever done. But I`ll take the more logical JP3 anyday. Except for its ending ("Hurray for everything! Bounty! Glory! Let the dinosaurs roam free!..."...) ("And the US military is great!").

And certainly without any set-piece child dinosaur-kicking. Dinosaur children-kicking, hey yeah, I`m onboard.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Am I the only one who thought that III was an improvement after II

Nope! After acrobatic children-kicking of Raptors, preceded by the absent-minded mission checking that allowed said acrobat to board the vehicles in the first place, its easy to enjoy the acrobatlessness of JP 3. Plus Spinosaurus Aegypticus... awesome visuals.


You had to remind me? I tried my best to block that whole movie from my memory! (J3 all the way!)
J2 is a textbook case of all that is bad in a Spielberg film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor, sure it is (excruciating).

Forget that though. Focus instead on the unbelievable naivity of a trained academic researcher who heedlessly & recklessly glories in the wonders of the life upon the islands... there be PREHISTORIC CARNIVORES on this island! HELLO! H-E-L-L-O!!!! Did you not study that spectrum of the Jurassic etc. eras? Have you not contemplated the voracious appetites of these unpredictable and incredibly swift colossal entities? I realize as a fulcrum for the story, and with Goldblum balancing/countering, it serves its purpose, and yet said researcher was, as Tom Cruise put it, a little too "galactically stupid" for my taste.

(no weapons, no emergency plans, no escape routes, no escort, no occassional nervous glance to scan the trees, etc. etc. etc. )

You`re right: there is alot to like in JP 2. Postlethwaite and Goldblum being a big part of that. And I still enjoyed it. And yes, the bus sequence is one of the finest 'set pieces' ever done. But I`ll take the more logical JP3 anyday. Except for its ending ("Hurray for everything! Bounty! Glory! Let the dinosaurs roam free!..."...) ("And the US military is great!").

And certainly without any set-piece child dinosaur-kicking. Dinosaur children-kicking, hey yeah, I`m onboard.


Well, without what you label 'naivité', there wouldn't be any JURASSIC PARK films in the first place. It's science's naivité and lack of ethical standards that cause the havoc to occur. I think all films have been cleverly written to make it believeable enough (within a sci fi setting), but with enough 'wrong choices' to make it suspenseful ride.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Everyone raves on about that gymnastics scene as the only excuse to lambast the film.

I was using it as an example of how awful the film is. But I can certainly find more, since the film is riddled with them.

The rest of the film is profoundly terrible, down to reusing tropes (Muldoon dies in the first movie, so they replace him with... ANOTHER MULDOON!) and absurd leaps in logic (no one notices a DINOSAUR on a sea vessel being A BAD IDEA) and tremendously stupid dialogue.

The film is complete trash, through and through. And while a movie like this from the 50s would have some charm to it, this is a bloated, dead affair.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Thor, I think you are bereft of the nuance of what I wrote.

I enjoyed it. BUT I found the researcher to be ***too*** stupid to be swallowable. Ditto child acrobatacularism.

Thats why I love seeing John McTiernan`s name appended to a project... he seems to not be afraid of challenging his own logic core, "Would this just be stupid?!?... ," and then proceeds to make it unstupid.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

And certainly without any set-piece child dinosaur-kicking. Dinosaur children-kicking, hey yeah, I`m onboard.

Oh yes, that miserable & totally charmless daughter turns into an Olympic athlete, just as well the dinosaurs knew where to stand! It's films like this, & Cristal Skull & War Of The Worlds that tells me that Spielberg is not a great director, he has no judgement. Well that's my take on him, I wouldn't think it keeps him awake at night.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

And certainly without any set-piece child dinosaur-kicking. Dinosaur children-kicking, hey yeah, I`m onboard.

Oh yes, that miserable & totally charmless daughter turns into an Olympic athlete, just as well the dinosaurs knew where to stand! It's films like this, & Cristal Skull & War Of The Worlds that tells me that Spielberg is not a great director, he has no judgement. Well that's my take on him, I wouldn't think it keeps him awake at night.


He's a great director, but has no story sense.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

*sigh*

Well, seems like this is a battle not worth taking.

LONG LIVE JURASSIC PARK: THE LOST WORLD! A superb and HUGELY underrated film!

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I definitely think Spielberg is brilliant (smile) (Schindler`s List, Saving Private Ryan, Raiders, and Lincoln voice) but perhaps a valuable collaboration is appropriate sometimes.

[Executive Producer with Club enters cave, looks at drawings]

BANG

"Dat nott guud `nuf!..."


[shuffles out]

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2014 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

And certainly without any set-piece child dinosaur-kicking. Dinosaur children-kicking, hey yeah, I`m onboard.

Oh yes, that miserable & totally charmless daughter turns into an Olympic athlete, just as well the dinosaurs knew where to stand! It's films like this, & Cristal Skull & War Of The Worlds that tells me that Spielberg is not a great director, he has no judgement. Well that's my take on him, I wouldn't think it keeps him awake at night.



CRYSTAL SKULL is severely underrated. I always enjoyed every minute of it - and no, the nuclear bomb sequence and the sci-fi finale don't irritate me, they are just part of the fun! For me it's the second best Indy adventure!

 
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