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 Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



From tyme immemorial, the paradoxical perceptions of how someone { Creative } can be revealed as totally opposite in their personality - Richard Wagner and Pablo Picasso, for starters - continues to play itself out in the current scandals involving Amurrica's 'Favorite Jell-O Dad'.

One of the more fascinating aspects that always presents itself is how much is invested with an iconic Image and the devastating initial denial and then inevitable acceptance of what becomes unavoidable to ignore.

This isn't specifically applicable to just this country but we feel perhaps the elevation of 'star worship' is perhaps more ingrained over here since the USA's coupla hundred plus years is less than a drop in the total-tonnage bucket compared to other countries whose legacy goes back thousands of years.

No easy 'answers', actually. As Jacob Needleman always advises, > Deepening the Question > might mayhap provide more perceptive insight ...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

If you're only going to experience the works of "nice artists," you're not going to experience very much.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 10:48 PM   
 By:   gone   (Member)

I do not expect artists to be saints, but I do expect them not to be monsters. All credibility and honor is lost for the latter.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 12:01 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I do not expect artists to be saints, but I do expect them not to be monsters. All credibility and honor is lost for the latter.

Yeah, Miles Davis lost is credibility, didn't he?

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   gone   (Member)

I do not expect artists to be saints, but I do expect them not to be monsters. All credibility and honor is lost for the latter.

Yeah, Miles Davis lost is credibility, didn't he?


I haven't heard any accusations of his having drugged women, so no ... not at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I do not expect artists to be saints, but I do expect them not to be monsters. All credibility and honor is lost for the latter.

Yeah, Miles Davis lost is credibility, didn't he?


I haven't heard any accusations of his having drugged women, so no ... not at all.



There's the Davis quote where he said he wanted to die "strangling a white man" .

Sooo, yeah... razz

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Ike Turner was a bastard, but he recorded some great music. Such is life.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

This is a very troubling issue on a personal level. When you admire someones art, and then learn they are in your eyes a monster of sorts. What are you suppose to feel? Should you go on enjoying their art? Can one separate their art from the person? Should you?

I think most ppl don't care. Or I should say they care more about their own personal enjoyment over the character of the person providing them with their enjoyment. Which is a sad state of affairs.

One also has to take into account ones society upbringing and the time of that upbringing. Sometimes their failures in character are based on ignorance. The passing of ignorance can take decades to root out.

So how personally culpable they are also comes into consideration.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

This is a very troubling issue on a personal level. When you admire someones art, and then learn they are in your eyes a monster of sorts. What are you suppose to feel? Should you go on enjoying their art? Can one separate their art from the person? Should you?

Throughout history, some of the greatest works of art were created by some not very nice persons. When I'm listening to an LP, I am not interested in how the artist treated his/her significant other. It is all about the music. It does not mean that I would want to be friends with the artist.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I confess that most of the time, if someone is doing their job well, I couldn't give a tinker's cuss about what they do in private. Mostly because their private life will probably never impact upon me, whereas their professional life will.

(Within reason, that is. There certainly are monsters out there.)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2014 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



One of the aspects about Paul Newman we always admired was he never failed an opportunity to remind his salivating (especially female) audience that the impeccably perfect IMAGE up there they 'loved' had very little to do with him in actuality (his own marital infidelity was no doubt not far from his mind).

The point is it's all unassailable what one Does and what one Is doesn't hafta be in any alliance whatsoever; as others have already related, if that was the criteria then none of us would see a flick, go to a play, listen to a piece of music or have favorite works of art.

What distinguishes the contemporary scene, however, is you have these professional sociopaths who parade around in all their egoholic arrogance as something in public they KNOW their behavior off doesn't correlate to. Granted, in some cases in the current example, the red flags were so fabulous it's a testament to the image of 'safety' already spun for decades that few of the women ever actually thought to question - till too late after the fact - when anyone gives you a line about auditioning and reading for a part AT THEIR HOME is immediate cause to Flee in the opposite direction as fast as their high heels could carry them.



Even a certain real (not reel) life individual has said he wished he really
was as noble and selfless as the Star Fleet Admiral he's immortalized.

Now, within an industry as insular as Hollywood, there are few secrets which aren't open in their submerged acknowledgment. And there's something irreconciliably extant that people seem to get upright homicidal when evidence presents itself these entities they've seen parade themselves as so 'humble' on teevee and other protected manipulated environments are revealed to be every inch (if not more so) foundationally flawed as them - what, you're surprised? Why?!?).

Those gate-keepers whose very financial livelihood depend on their constant silent denial are every bit as culpable as the ones indulging in the acts themselves. But you've also got an alternate universe so fear-based where no one ever says NO that expecting anything else is most likely the greatest fantasy.



In the end, the worth of their work is probably the highest and most honorable part of
their personality. If you can't make that non-dualistic deal, you're not gonna be able
to watch anything ...

 
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