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 Posted:   Dec 15, 2014 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

I was just on IMDB (I know...not the most reliable of sources), and on this films page there is mention in the trivia section that Goldsmith was the first composer approached but turned it down. I'd never heard this before....can anybody shed some light? I love the Morricone score as it appears in the film but am salivating at what Goldsmith might have come up with the same year he wrote Poltergeist...yikes!

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2014 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

We already had a post about this. Search the web for the producer's blog. He mentions it there.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2014 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

I knew I should have checked to see if there'd already been a thread about this...thx Mutant.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2014 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

There's not really much to it. The producer actually posted here. Goldsmith was one of their first choices and he was too busy with something else. Carpenter also confirmed it on Twitter mentioning he was a big Goldsmith fan and loved his score to Alien.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2014 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

http://theoriginalfan.blogspot.ca/2011/09/music.html?m=1

"We initially offered the film to Jerry Goldsmith who was unavailable, doing both POLTERGEIST and TWILIGHT ZONE for Spielberg. Availability on musician John Corigliano (ALTERED STATES) was checked. The legendary Alex North read the script, had ideas, and wanted to meet but at that point I felt the only composer John would possibly entrust his film to other than himself was Ennio Morricone."

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2014 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Was just reading all that on the thread Mr. Coscina started. Yes, god we'd all love to hear what Goldsmith would have done with the film but the Morricone score is like Shore's Silence of the Lambs score, it perfectly contributes so much dread in such a subtle way, I don't know how much better a Goldsmith score could have been.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 3:22 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I'm sure Goldsmith would have turned in a very interesting score, but Morricone's score is so perfect I wouldn't go back and change it even if I had the chance.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Whoa, John Corigliano? I bet he would have delivered something VERY cool for this, and probably not terribly dissimilar from Morricone's own despair-laden, Bartok-inspired orchestral score.

To be honest, I don't think Goldsmith would have been the best choice for this - The propensity toward not using music during the horror/set pieces in the film is one of its great assets, and Goldsmith would've doubtlessly gone to town on those scenes with COMA or BOYS FROM BRAZIL-type action melodrama that worked against the images, even if the music was strong on its own (sorry, I think those aforementioned scores completely desiccate any tension in those films' action/suspense scenes).

I think a non-traditional film composer like Corigliano would have been amazing, or even someone like Kilar or Loek Dikker (think his fantastically evocative 4TH MAN). Of course, what Morricone delivered was no slouching effort either!

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I remember this even from way back in the 1980s, where Goldsmith mentioned being offered THE THING and that Carpenter sought him out for THE THING. At that time, he stated no reason why he turned it down. But it was indeed a very busy period for Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

It would have been funny had Goldsmith written Gremlins type music for the thing creature.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

woulda shoulda coulda.
Jerry was a smart man and, like Morricone, had a good instinct for bringing different food for different occasions.
But this is like saying Jarre would have made a better composrr on spartacus than alex north, or saying i wish Ennio had done a different approach to jerry on Hour of the gun.
its all irrelevant. ennio did the score to Thing and thats that. And did an exceptional one for the film.
And coz he was busy jerry did two very good scores elsewhere, which you wouldnt have if hed done The Thing

I bet if we knew the truth probably 90 per cent of films end up with a composer that wasnt necessarily the directors first choice. And most directors know the film game well enough that you have to have an open mind and several options on your list.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

Goldsmith should have been the default choice for EVERY Hollywood score between the 60's and the 2000's. Only if he wasnt available would a director be permitted to look elsewhere

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Goldsmith got so many chances to do movies that were loosely inspired by The Thing from Another World, Alien foremost, that we do have a pretty good idea of the stuff he'd have written for Carpenter's movie.

Maybe John Carpenter's The Thing would just have been covering old ground for JG at that moment.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Leviathan is essentially a remake of The Thing set underwater, so that should give you some idea as to his approach. The scenes with Crenna (a carbon copy of the Wilford Brimley charater) figuring stuff out in his lab and eventually condemning the crew to death I imagine would sound similar.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Leviathan is essentially a remake of The Thing set underwater, so that should give you some idea as to his approach. The scenes with Crenna (a carbon copy of the Wilford Brimley charater) figuring stuff out in his lab and eventually condemning the crew to death I imagine would sound similar.

I don't know. Jerry would probably reflect the starkness of that environment, as Morricone did. Ice is very different than water. And the fact that THE THING emulates it's victims and you can't tell your friend from "it" is all important. Always love the title "Humanity" as a key piece of the Morricone score.

Also loved that I really couldn't totally predict these composer's approach to any film. As they said, they would get bored doing too much of the same thing and would figure out ways to make it challenging or entertaining for THEM.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Leviathan is essentially a remake of The Thing set underwater, so that should give you some idea as to his approach. The scenes with Crenna (a carbon copy of the Wilford Brimley charater) figuring stuff out in his lab and eventually condemning the crew to death I imagine would sound similar.

Except Leviathan was a terrible film while The Thing is a modern classic.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

Considering how little of what Morricone wrote that is actually used in the film, I'd be concerned on Jerry's behalf that he'd get burned again just like he did on ALIEN. Carpenter and Scott both seemed to be highly selective in their use of thematic scoring in film and tended to go for repetitive atmospheric elements in preference to traditional melodic scoring. I'd be afraid that we'd ended up with another largely unused masterpiece from Jerry's most creative period.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

woulda shoulda coulda.
Jerry was a smart man and, like Morricone, had a good instinct for bringing different food for different occasions.
But this is like saying Jarre would have made a better composrr on spartacus than alex north, or saying i wish Ennio had done a different approach to jerry on Hour of the gun.
its all irrelevant. ennio did the score to Thing and thats that. And did an exceptional one for the film.
And coz he was busy jerry did two very good scores elsewhere, which you wouldnt have if hed done The Thing

I bet if we knew the truth probably 90 per cent of films end up with a composer that wasnt necessarily the directors first choice. And most directors know the film game well enough that you have to have an open mind and several options on your list.


Amen, especially in the case of POLTERGEIST. I don't want to live in a world where someone besides Jerry wrote the score for that one. TWILIGHT ZONE either for that matter.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)



Except Leviathan was a terrible film while The Thing is a modern classic.


That is very true.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

All this talk about how Goldsmith would have used music in different places, or of a different style, suggests a misunderstanding of how scoring works. The director spots the film with the composer in advance, telling him where he wants music, and what kind he's thinking. After the score is recorded, the director chooses whether to use it.

Of course, a composer may argue for different creative choices. And sometimes, he might get his way. But a composer does not inflict his music on a director.

 
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