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Dec 24, 2014 - 8:07 PM
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C. F.
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Questions:
Bernard Herrmann really recorded 'Torn curtain' in 'only 1 session, March 1966, in Los Angeles'? This information is correct? If so, any chance of a label release this work?
The performance/version of Elmer Bernstein, 1977, is reasonable, however, the Joel McNeely’s version, 1997, is anemic and very low sound, in my opinion; anyway, where is the original recording of ‘Torn Curtain’ with the great Herrmann? When can we have it?
Thanxxxx!
Carlos
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Questions:
Bernard Herrmann really recorded 'Torn curtain' in 'only 1 session, March 1966, in Los Angeles'? This information is correct? If so, any chance of a label release this work?
The performance/version of Elmer Bernstein, 1977, is reasonable, however, the Joel McNeely’s version, 1997, is anemic and very low sound, in my opinion; anyway, where is the original recording of ‘Torn Curtain’ with the great Herrmann? When can we have it?
Thanxxxx!
Carlos
Whatever Herrmann recorded seem to still exist.
HIP-O records released a CD called "Alfred Hitchcock Presents Signatures In Suspense"
It contains several selections from the Herrmann recording that were laid down before Hitchcock pulled the plug.
Here is a link to AMAZON where you can pick it up very cheaply at the moment.
http://www.amazon.com/Alfred-Hitchcock-Presents-Signatures-Anthology/dp/B00000JMKS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419477994&sr=8-1&keywords=Alfred+Hitchcock+Presents+Signatures+In+Suspense
Now there has been a question as to how much Herrmann recorded, but these sections are pretty cool
Happy Holidays
Ford A. Thaxton
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Dec 25, 2014 - 3:36 AM
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C. F.
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Questions:
Bernard Herrmann really recorded 'Torn curtain' in 'only 1 session, March 1966, in Los Angeles'? This information is correct? If so, any chance of a label release this work?
The performance/version of Elmer Bernstein, 1977, is reasonable, however, the Joel McNeely’s version, 1997, is anemic and very low sound, in my opinion; anyway, where is the original recording of ‘Torn Curtain’ with the great Herrmann? When can we have it?
Thanxxxx!
Carlos
Whatever Herrmann recorded seem to still exist.
HIP-O records released a CD called "Alfred Hitchcock Presents Signatures In Suspense"
It contains several selections from the Herrmann recording that were laid down before Hitchcock pulled the pull
Here is a link to AMAZON where you can pick it up very cheaply at the moment.
http://www.amazon.com/Alfred-Hitchcock-Presents-Signatures-Anthology/dp/B00000JMKS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419477994&sr=8-1&keywords=Alfred+Hitchcock+Presents+Signatures+In+Suspense
Now there has been a question as to how much Herrmann recorded, but these sections are pretty cool
Happy Holidays
Ford A. Thaxton
Interesting this CD, partner! In the past I had heard something about it, but I always had doubts whether they were the original versions, and it seems so. I'll buy it! (http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/9885/Alfred+Hitchcock+Presents+Signatures+In+Suspense).
In addition to 3 parts of 'Torn Curtain', we also have other rarities as the main title of 'Dial M For Murder' & 'I Confess' of Tiomkin, and 'Frenzy' of Ron Goodwin ....
Thank you for reminding me of this CD!
Happy Holidays and all the best!
Carlos
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That's true. There are still quite a few rarities on this disk:
Alfred Hitchcock Presents.... - original sessions
"Dial M For Murder" and "I Confess" from Dimtri Tiomkin Decca album (not available on CD!)
"Rear Window" from original sessions (unreleased!)
"Vertigo" and "North By Northwest" from original sessions
"Psycho" from Bernard Herrmann Decca album
"Marnie" from original sessions (stereo version unreleased!)
"Torn Curtain" (John Addison) from original sessions - superior sound quality over LP master
"Torn Curtain" (Bernard Herrmann) from original sessions (unreleased!)
"Topaz" and "Frenzy" are Silva re-recordings
"The Wrong Man" is the Elmer Bernstein Milan re-recording
"Family Plot" from original sessions
"The Trouble With Harry" from Bernard Herrmann Decca album
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That's true. There are still quite a few rarities on this disk:
"Dial M For Murder" and "I Confess" from Dimtri Tiomkin Decca album (not available on CD!)
The old Tiomkin Coral LP album "Movie Themes from Hollywood" has already been available on the now quite rare Japanese CD "Hollywood Master Sound" in 1995 (together with one of those Victor Young Decca compilations also from the mid-50s):
http://www.cdandlp.com/en/tiomkin-victor-young-dimitri/hollywood-master-sound/cd/r117212179/
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Herrmann only recorded about nine cues before Hitchcock cancelled the session. It would be nice to have even those on CD.
It certainly would be nice to have them on CD. Going by the bonus feature on the DVD, the nine cues that got recorded are:
Prelude
The Ship
The Radiogram
The Hotel
The Bookstore
The Book
The Travel Desk
The Blurring
The Killing
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Maybe if you check with the David Raksin estate, or where ever his papers and recordings are now kept, may contain a copy. That evening, after the recording session and blowup between Hitchcock and Herrmann, Herrmann had Raksin and a few others over and they listened to what transpired, which was recorded.
You may also want to post to the Bernard Herrmann message board: http://herrmann.uib.no/talking/list.cgi?forum=thGeneral
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Dec 26, 2014 - 9:52 AM
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C. F.
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At this point, the Universal Herrmann stuff (PSYCHO, all TORN CURTAIN tracks, MARNIE, CAPE FEAR, THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH, and COMPANIONS IN NIGHTMARE) don't seem likely to appear on legitimate CD. I'd love to be proved wrong.
The discography of Bernard Herrmann is problematic if you think of how many original titles were actually released.
I made a list of some works that I consider important and have not yet been released (I'm referring to the original soundtrack, of course, not the re-recordings).
Psycho, Marnie & Cape Fear have been released by pirates label/bootleg, and with a very good sound quality. I have these 3 soundtracks and you can find on the following links:
Psycho (1960) (Complete 47 min) (Sound Stage Records/iTunes):
https://itunes.apple.com/br/album/alfred-hitchcocks-psycho-original/id471143389
Cape Fear (1962) (Complete 49 min) (Sound Stage Records/iTunes):
http://www.amazon.com/Cape-Fear-Bernard-Herrmann/dp/B00DJ9QKLM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419611387&sr=8-2&keywords=bernard+herrmann+cape+fear
or
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cape-Fear-Ost-Bernard-Herrmann/dp/B00I59N4V0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419609236&sr=8-2&keywords=bernard+herrmann+cape+fear
or
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/cape-fear-original-soundtrack/id808782246
Cape Fear (1962) (44 min) (Tsunami Records):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marvellous-Film-World-Vol-1-German/dp/B000027VUX/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419609395&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=the+marvelous+film+world+of+bernard+herrmann
Marnie (1964) (Complete 50 min) (Tsunami Records/iTunes):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marnie-OST-Bernard-Herrmann/dp/B000027VVA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419609110&sr=8-2&keywords=bernard+herrmann+marnie
or
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/marnie-original-film-score/id897233326
The following works, the original versions/soundtracks, were not released, maybe you can find snippets or fragments scattered on bootlegs, but not complete. Really these soundtracks must be released before the few fans of Herrmann die! (wake up Kritzerland, Intrada, Varese, Quartet!):
The Trouble With Harry (1955)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
Torn Curtain (1966)
Citizen Kane (1941)
The Devil And Daniel Webster (1941)
The Magnificent Ambersons (1942)
The Kentuckian (1955)
Williamsburg - The Story Of A Patriot (1957)
The Naked And The Dead (1958)
Jason And The Argonauts (1963)
The next 2 soundtracks have been officially released but are incomplete, I believe:
Mysterious Island (1961) (42 min) (Silva Screen Records)
Battle Of Neretva (1969) (35 min) (Southern Cross Records)
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May 14, 2018 - 6:05 AM
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Cruikshank
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At this point, the Universal Herrmann stuff (PSYCHO, all TORN CURTAIN tracks, MARNIE, CAPE FEAR, THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH, and COMPANIONS IN NIGHTMARE) don't seem likely to appear on legitimate CD. I'd love to be proved wrong.
The discography of Bernard Herrmann is problematic if you think of how many original titles were actually released.
I made a list of some works that I consider important and have not yet been released (I'm referring to the original soundtrack, of course, not the re-recordings).
Psycho, Marnie & Cape Fear have been released by pirates label/bootleg, and with a very good sound quality. I have these 3 soundtracks and you can find on the following links:
Psycho (1960) (Complete 47 min) (Sound Stage Records/iTunes):
https://itunes.apple.com/br/album/alfred-hitchcocks-psycho-original/id471143389
Cape Fear (1962) (Complete 49 min) (Sound Stage Records/iTunes):
http://www.amazon.com/Cape-Fear-Bernard-Herrmann/dp/B00DJ9QKLM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419611387&sr=8-2&keywords=bernard+herrmann+cape+fear
or
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cape-Fear-Ost-Bernard-Herrmann/dp/B00I59N4V0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419609236&sr=8-2&keywords=bernard+herrmann+cape+fear
or
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/cape-fear-original-soundtrack/id808782246
Cape Fear (1962) (44 min) (Tsunami Records):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marvellous-Film-World-Vol-1-German/dp/B000027VUX/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419609395&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=the+marvelous+film+world+of+bernard+herrmann
Marnie (1964) (Complete 50 min) (Tsunami Records/iTunes):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marnie-OST-Bernard-Herrmann/dp/B000027VVA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419609110&sr=8-2&keywords=bernard+herrmann+marnie
or
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/marnie-original-film-score/id897233326
The following works, the original versions/soundtracks, were not released, maybe you can find snippets or fragments scattered on bootlegs, but not complete. Really these soundtracks must be released before the few fans of Herrmann die! (wake up Kritzerland, Intrada, Varese, Quartet!):
The Trouble With Harry (1955)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
Torn Curtain (1966)
Citizen Kane (1941)
The Devil And Daniel Webster (1941)
The Magnificent Ambersons (1942)
The Kentuckian (1955)
Williamsburg - The Story Of A Patriot (1957)
The Naked And The Dead (1958)
Jason And The Argonauts (1963)
The next 2 soundtracks have been officially released but are incomplete, I believe:
Mysterious Island (1961) (42 min) (Silva Screen Records)
Battle Of Neretva (1969) (35 min) (Southern Cross Records)
Dear Carlos Fiorelli,
please drop me an email, it's important.
frangorecki85@gmail.com
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The labels don't need to “wake up.” They're quite aware of the popularity of these scores. If these recordings haven't been officially released, then there is very good reason for it.
Anyway, discussions of bootlegs are against the board rules.
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