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 Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

I've recently been reading up on the expanded Bond CD releases from 2003 and noticed something curious about one particular film (no, not Moonraker!).

Some of you may remember the thread in which Lukas announced the CDs, in November 2002 (which you can see at http://goo.gl/PTzWpn). He states:

"No extra masters were available for Dr. No, From Russia With Love..."

Chris Neel - then of MGM Music - confirmed this in a later thread in February 2003 (http://goo.gl/eN49Yq) by saying:

"There are no surviving master tapes for Dr. No or FRWL other than the soundtrack LP masters."

A couple of months later, Lukas published a two-part article in FSM about his work on the expanded CDs. (These are free and viewable online at http://goo.gl/2yGAEI and http://goo.gl/Bbhyv6 . I recommend everyone have a look sometime, they're very interesting). In the June 2003 issue, Lukas says:

"Master tapes to the first three films—Dr. No, From Russia With Love and Goldfinger—are not at EMI’s Abbey Road vaults in London, where most of the expanded Bond material was kept. (The four additional cuts on the Goldfinger CD come from the British LP master.) I would presume they are lost."

So my question is... any reason Lukas and Chris didn't refer to Goldfinger as lost in the earlier FSM posts? I just thought it odd that Goldfinger was mentioned as lost only in the FSM article. Was its status as 'lost' only confirmed later on, when Lukas wrote his FSM article? I'm just intrigued about the discrepancy. smile

Is Goldfinger definitely 'lost'? For now, anyway... never say never...

Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I honestly don't recall.

United Artists in L.A. threw out their music masters in the early 1980s as a corporate cost-saving measure.

MGM Music in the 1990s was able to get back a lot of material that had been sent to United Artists Records at EMI. This was mostly album masters, but occasionally complete OST masters and multitracks that had been sent to the record company for production work or evaluation.

MGM Music had an inventory around that time (late 1990s) that was given to them from EMI's Abbey Road tape facility in London. This Abbey Road inventory had the music scoring masters for Thunderball through Spy Who Loved Me (though it was not clear to me if the Spy material was the album recording or the OST). Other titles, like the first three movie, Moonraker and AVTAK, were album masters only. We were able to transfer and use these assets for the expanded editions of Thunderball through Live and Let Die. We ran out of time and money to do Man With the Golden Gun.

I honestly don't remember where MGM had the complete masters for FYEO and Living Daylights. Chris Neel told me he had something on Octopussy but I don't remember if it was a stem or what.

For Thunderball, music for the end of the movie was not at Abbey Road, but rather the U.S. tape vaults. And there was still some stuff missing.

I don't know what music stems there might be at MGM (from the film vaults), I don't know what else might have turned up at EMI's U.S. or worldwide facilities. I don't know. And, frankly, the entire rights situation is so tangled with the older Bond titles, involving Eon, MGM, Sony and Universal Music, that I am not holding out hope.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

I honestly don't recall.

MGM Music had an inventory around that time (late 1990s) that was given to them from EMI's Abbey Road tape facility in London. This Abbey Road inventory had the music scoring masters for Thunderball through Spy Who Loved Me (though it was not clear to me if the Spy material was the album recording or the OST). Other titles, like the first three movie, Moonraker and AVTAK, were album masters only.
Lukas


Thanks. I was aware of the other stuff, just wasn't clear on Goldfinger. A shame it is unavailable like the first two films, but hopefully a copy will turn up some day.

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Thunderball is beguiling to me as the remastered version has run dry in the market (so to speak) and the price of the CD has bumped upwards way in excess of the other equally (to my mind) deserving titles, such as Diamonds Are Forever. Does this mean that any chances of the hopes for an even more expanded Thunderball are not likely to bear fruit? Take a look at this page to get a load of what I mean:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_2_11?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=thunderball+remastered&sprefix=thunderball%2Cpopular%2C334

What happens when the remastered DAF performs a disappearing act? Of course, there have been posts made in which many stalwarts have been hoping of (Barry) Bond being revived so as to fill 2x CD compilations. I could not see it happening myself, but, what do I know. Is it possible the Bonds will see further expansion in some cases while others wither away? I only say this because the original Casino Royale has been churned up several times due to it's status as a beloved work of art. It may be, on the other hand, that CR is a unique beast.

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2014 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Does this mean that any chances of the hopes for an even more expanded Thunderball are not likely to bear fruit?

There is very little left to add to Thunderball that was not on the expanded CD. TBH I'm more interested in FRWL and Goldfinger should the masters turn up. The rest of John Barry's 60s Bond scores are pretty satisfying on CD already.

Beyond that I'm hoping for a couple of Moore expansions (the 'Bond arrives in India' cue from Octopussy in particular) and the deluxe versions of those Arnold scores - particularly Die Another Day which is missing 60 minutes. I suspect LLL are very keen on these Arnold scores (especially given their sterling work on his other titles) but EON continues to be an obstacle at MV's last report.

One day perhaps. I won't hold my breath.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   varrick   (Member)

What about Licence to Kill and A View to a Kill? Do masters exist for these scores?

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2014 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

What about Licence to Kill and A View to a Kill? Do masters exist for these scores?

They'll be elsewhere. No one is re-releasing any expanded Bond scores, so TPTB aren't looking for the masters. And until they change their mind, we are in limbo as to information on these scores.

The only ones we can confidently say are 'lost' are the first three.

 
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