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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: LESS WORK FOR MUSICIANS: Sad Sign of the (NY) Times   Last Post   Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 9:27 AM     By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member) From today's NY Times Arts section: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/arts/music/for-musicians-a-tv-series-underscores-diminishing-role.html?ref=music&_r=0 L.A. Studio musicians are known as the best in the world, with their capacity to sight-read and then perform impeccably new scores written in a host of different styles. They (like so many others nowadays) deserve much better than they're getting in the modern world's economy...    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 9:33 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period.    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 10:21 AM     By:   CinemaScope   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. How is that outsourcing? These musicians are freelance, working in an open market. If the studios can get the work done cheaper elsewhere, why shouldn't they. And this is not new news, it goes back to the sixties, with the American musicians union pricing their members out of the market.    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 10:36 AM     By:   bobbengan   (Member) I've said it before and I'll say it again, the sound of London players will always be the best!    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 10:43 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. How is that outsourcing? These musicians are freelance, working in an open market. If the studios can get the work done cheaper elsewhere, why shouldn't they. And this is not new news, it goes back to the sixties, with the American musicians union pricing their members out of the market. Because operating a business isn't a right it's a privilege. It is to benefit not only the business but it's society. These businesses get huge tax breaks, exist only because of the technology and infrastructure paid for by the taxes payers. They should hire local talent which helps the economy and status of it's people. And yes this is nothing new. It's been going on for 60 years.    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 11:27 AM     By:   Smaug   (Member) There is so little work in LA, perpetuating this idea that they "are the best sight readers and incredibly sharp musicians" is a joke. They show up and are rusty. At least the LA people have a good attitude and put in their good day's work before heading to the beach or wherever in the afternoon. In NYC they scowl and grumble. It's night and day. There are lots of well documented reasons why this is this way. I don't put it all on the union but they certainly haven't helped. Then when there are events to draw attention to film music, like the Berstein concert that so upset Kraft, they act like they have nothing to do with it. It's all just reality punching them in the face. My father worked at a factory in Pennsylvania and the went on strike for six weeks for a dime an hour in the late 70s. He used that six weeks to look for another job. Sure enough the strike ends, the go back to work and the factory closes six months later. Musicians aren't alone. And everyone wants them to be able to make a living. But the word "right" and "privilege" get thrown around a lot.    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 11:46 AM     By:   CindyLover   (Member) I've said it before and I'll say it again, the sound of London players will always be the best! Way to miss the point (and whenever I hear someone spout "London/British (whatever) is the finest in the world" I keep thinking of Boris Johnson, which is NEVER a good thing). This isn't a sporting event, it's about musicians not getting much work, which is sad whether in New York, LA, Budapest or wherever.    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 2:51 PM     By:   TJ   (Member) Then when there are events to draw attention to film music, like the Berstein concert that so upset Kraft, they act like they have nothing to do with it. Huh?    Posted:   Jan 19, 2015 - 2:51 PM     By:   TJ   (Member) Then when there are events to draw attention to film music, like the Berstein concert that so upset Kraft, they act like they have nothing to do with it. Huh?    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 2:24 PM     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. If the studios can get the work done cheaper elsewhere, why shouldn't they.the market. Spoken like a true CapitalisT    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 2:29 PM     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. How is that outsourcing? These musicians are freelance, working in an open market. If the studios can get the work done cheaper elsewhere, why shouldn't they. And this is not new news, it goes back to the sixties, with the American musicians union pricing their members out of the market. Because operating a business isn't a right it's a privilege. It is to benefit not only the business but it's society. These businesses get huge tax breaks, exist only because of the technology and infrastructure paid for by the taxes payers. They should hire local talent which helps the economy and status of it's people. And yes this is nothing new. It's been going on for 60 years. The special effects companies are also being killed by outsourcing. I have a client who does animation. He just went to India to work on a project. Unfortunately, most of the work being done in India is by natives, not American workers. In other news, the top one tenth of one percent now own 20 percent of the world's wealth (maybe even more)! God bless capitalisM brm    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 2:36 PM     By:   CinemaScope   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. If the studios can get the work done cheaper elsewhere, why shouldn't they.the market. Spoken like a true CapitalisT Well I don't want to be blacklisted as a commie I think all this, our musicians are better than yours, is a bit silly. The world's full of great musicians, I suppose that's the problem.    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 2:46 PM     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. If the studios can get the work done cheaper elsewhere, why shouldn't they.the market. Spoken like a true CapitalisT Well I don't want to be blacklisted as a commie . A "commie"? What is this, the 1950's? Are you Eric Paddon in disuise? AHAHAHAHHA!!!    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 4:52 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. Funding for the production of films comes from around the world. Non-Americans star in many of the biggest films made. Films are shot on locations around the world. Special effects are done in facilities all over the globe. Editing can be done anywhere there is adequate computing power. But it should be illegal to score films anywhere but in the U.S.?    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 4:56 PM     By:   Smaug   (Member) Kraft was bent out of shape after a poor turnout at a Bernstein tribute concert a year or so ago. The gist being that Bernstein supported all those musicians for years and years and then there's a tribute concert and no one shows up.    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 5:02 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) I've said it before and I'll say it again, the sound of London players will always be the best! And yet Tadlow, a U.K. company, will record MOONRAKER in Prague. Apparently they (and we, their customers) don't want the best.    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 5:10 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) L.A. musicians not making enough money? The City should just pass a law raising the rates to be paid to L.A. musicians. Problem solved.    Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 5:13 PM     By:   CinemaScope   (Member) Outsourcing should be illegal period. Funding for the production of films comes from around the world. Non-Americans star in many of the biggest films made. Films are shot on locations around the world. Special effects are done in facilities all over the globe. Editing can be done anywhere there is adequate computing power. But it should be illegal to score films anywhere but in the U.S.? Yup, any kind of post production is a dodgy old business to be in these days, lots of people losing their jobs. The good old days are gone, I'd advise people to look elsewhere.     General Discussion: LESS WORK FOR MUSICIANS: Sad Sign of the (NY) Times    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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