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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: In regards to those Unicorn-Khanchana CDs.....   Last Post   Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 3:34 PM     By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member) ....I've had ALL of the Herrmann CDs since the day they CAME OUT, and NONE of them have bronzed! They all play perfectly? Anyone have an explanation for that?    Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 7:24 PM     By:   .   (Member) If your discs have a transparent plastic center ring, they are more likely to be fine. The main problem they had was with discs that were "solid" to the center. When the hole was cut the inner layers would then be exposed at the cut point and be prone to oxidization. The transparent inner ring meant that only the plastic area was punched and the actual information layers should remain properly sealed. That said, there even seem to be several examples of the plastic-centered discs bronzing too, because of oxidization through the outer edges of the discs which were not sealed properly on some early CDs.    Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 9:23 PM     By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member) Interesting!!! I didn't know any of that! Thanks, Basilano!! Hmmmmm.... I just checked all of the CDs, and all of them have that clear center... HOWEVER, the Raff CD, even though it DOES have the aforementioned clear center, APPEARS to have "bronzed" around the outer edge of the LABEL side. I popped it in, and it plays fine. I hope to hell it CONTINUES to play, because I LOVE Herrmann's recording of the Symphony #5!    Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 10:50 PM     By:   .   (Member) Interesting!!! I didn't know any of that! Thanks, Basilano!! Hmmmmm.... I just checked all of the CDs, and all of them have that clear center... HOWEVER, the Raff CD, even though it DOES have the aforementioned clear center, APPEARS to have "bronzed" around the outer edge of the LABEL side. I popped it in, and it plays fine. I hope to hell it CONTINUES to play, because I LOVE Herrmann's recording of the Symphony #5! If it has started bronzing, it will worsen for sure and one day you'll play it and you'll hear a static-like noise. You'd better make a copy of it before it's too late.    Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 11:30 PM     By:   Doug Raynes   (Member) I have the Unicorn PSYCHO and NORTH BY NORTHWEST both of which bronzed many years ago and still play fine. I also have WELLES RAISES KANE etc which has not bronzed at all.    Posted:   Jan 23, 2015 - 11:38 PM     By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member) Jiminy... I completely forgot about the Johnson-conducted NxNW! I need to dig THAT out and see if IT has bronzed! I just found it, and that was released by Varese... no worries, I assume?    Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 12:15 AM     By:   Cesare   (Member) As I understood it at the time, ir was a problem wth the finisj varnish used for some time at the PDO lant in the UK. I had quite a few of them - Unicorn, JoS, a few Decca classical titles - and got replacements for them all. They had pledged to re-press new CDs until the year 2015 and were still replacing them as recently as 2007, then PDO changed ownership, and they no longer do (although the labels might). More info here: http://www.classical.net/music/guide/society/krs/excerpt3.php    Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 6:06 AM     By:   LeHah   (Member) I've heard early JoS albums bronzed out but all of mine seem okay so far. I only have two of the Unicorn albums. One of them (Welles Raises Kane) is fine so far but Moby Dick bronzed a few years back and I had to make a CD/R. Too bad too since I much prefer that performance to the more recent album from Naxos.    Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 10:12 AM     By:   panphoto   (Member) If your discs have a transparent plastic center ring, they are more likely to be fine. The main problem they had was with discs that were "solid" to the center. When the hole was cut the inner layers would then be exposed at the cut point and be prone to oxidization. The transparent inner ring meant that only the plastic area was punched and the actual information layers should remain properly sealed. That said, there even seem to be several examples of the plastic-centered discs bronzing too, because of oxidization through the outer edges of the discs which were not sealed properly on some early CDs. Very interesting Basil. I've often wondered why the second disc of my Horenstein Mahler 3 died. the 'bronzing' is clearly visible, now that I know what to look for. Disc 1 seems completely unimpaired, and is definitely more silvery in colour. Luckily a friend allowed me to copy his - fortunate since this matchless performance is NLA.    Posted:   Jan 24, 2015 - 2:45 PM     By:   .   (Member) As I understood it at the time, ir was a problem wth the finisj varnish used for some time at the PDO lant in the UK. The protective coating ("varnish") would be applied to the surfaces, but when the disc was punched, the cut edges would be exposed and unprotected, leaving the inner layer open to rust. That is how it was explained to me by Hyperion Records.    Posted:   Mar 3, 2015 - 6:28 PM     By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member) They had pledged to re-press new CDs until the year 2015 and were still replacing them as recently as 2007, then PDO changed ownership, and they no longer do (although the labels might). More info here: http://www.classical.net/music/guide/society/krs/excerpt3.php Argh. I might be out of luck replacing my PSYCHO. I do have a copy, but the original is bronzed bad, baby.    Posted:   Mar 5, 2015 - 7:56 AM     By:   sotall   (Member) I first heard about the bronzing problem in early 2003. I checked all my CD's and found I had 56 made by PDO (out of 4000) on 6 different labels. By that time, 44 had bronzed and 24 were completely unplayable. Some of these had the clear center ring. PDO eventually replaced 55 of them. I think I was lucky to have found out about this. It was on a classical music email site much like FSM is for film music. sotall     General Discussion: In regards to those Unicorn-Khanchana CDs.....    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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