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 Posted:   May 23, 2016 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

Sorry Rory smile
But this story is startin' to get trotted out on a regular basis around here!!
Before yer know it, it's on Wikipedia and it really happened!!
It needs nippin' in the bud, EVERY TIME!!
Peace smile


Would you happen to know how it did get started? Because it's sort of a strange, implying that JAWS should have gone to Goldsmith but fate intervened. It's been out there for a long time. I can't remember when I first read it, or where, but I swear it's like twenty years ago.

As much as I like indulging in revisionist fantasies (My favorite is "What if Charlton Heston hadn't been so dumb as to have turned down THE OMEN?"), I wouldn't try to start false stories.


Any chance you're actually thinking of SUPERMAN? I know that went back and forth between Goldsmith and Williams as the production kept dragging on, and it was simply a matter of timing that Williams ended up with it.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2016 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

No, that JAWS story is something I read a long time ago.

SUPERMAN? I couldn't care less that Williams got that over Goldsmith. I'm not into comic book superhero movies.

Would have been nice, though, if Goldsmith had scored THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE, though Williams did a good job.... because it sounded like Goldsmith!!!

HA! HA! HA! Can't help myself!

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2016 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I first read it around here at least 10 years ago as part of Dan Hobgood's agenda to peddle/prove to the world that Goldsmith was God and Williams a poor relation smile
It seemed as desperate then, as it still does now.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2016 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I've been thinking about it, and I think -- but I could be misremembering -- that someone said it in a featurette or something on video (maybe as long back as when Laserdiscs ruled the earth), and the person may not have even meant it literally, but just off-the-cuff like, "The score came down to a coin flip between Jerry Goldsmith and John Williams, and Williams won," but he may have meant it as Williams proved the one available.

I'm not an expert on the making of JAWS and haven't yet gotten around to even watching the Blu-ray I bought of it a few years ago, but for some reason, I think that's where I first heard it. In fact, I doubt now I ever read it -- unless I'm just misremembering. Of course, I could have just caught it here once and it stuck.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2016 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

What's all this about the Sony Legacy version of THE BLUE MAX? My only copy is still the Varese Sarabande CD from 1985. That's when the original masters were at their freshest!

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2016 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

What's all this about the Sony Legacy version of THE BLUE MAX? My only copy is still the Varese Sarabande CD from 1985. That's when the original masters were at their freshest!

Wouldn't that actually be back in 1965 and the original LP soundtrack, outside of having the 35mm mag reels frozen in time.?

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

What's all this about the Sony Legacy version of THE BLUE MAX? My only copy is still the Varese Sarabande CD from 1985. That's when the original masters were at their freshest!
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Wouldn't that actually be back in 1965 and the original LP soundtrack, outside of having the 35mm mag reels frozen in time.?



Until the Varese Sarabande CD, every prior release of the album had been mastered from the only available source: a quarter-inch, two-track, rough reference tape that had been given to Jerry Goldsmith after the original recording sessions. The Varese CD was the first release from the original multi-track masters.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"...the person may not have even meant it literally, but just off-the-cuff like, "The score came down to a coin flip between Jerry Goldsmith and John Williams, and Williams won," but he may have meant it as Williams proved the one available"
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I don't know if anybody ever said it in a documentary, but what we DO know, from the information at hand, is that Spielberg adored John Williams' music from LP's like The Reivers and The Cowboys (like I said, he wrote early screenplays while playing them), sought Williams out for Sugarland Express and got on really well with him.
Also, with Jaws being a Universal picture, I imagine Williams was a shoo-in for the job, having a relationship with the studio and coming off hits like Earthquake (for Universal), Poseidon Adventure and Towering Inferno.
Goldsmith had largely gone back to TV scoring in the period before Jaws.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Obviously, it would be foolish of me to claim nobody ever said any such thing in any interview ever, but I think we can be certain there was no literal coin flip, and it also seems likely that Spielberg was inclined to hire Williams based on their recent experience and his stated love for other Williams scores.

Which is not to say you can't regret that Goldsmith didn't score the film. But I don't think you should be lamenting some random act of chance that kept him from doing it, because I'm pretty confident such a thing never actually happened.

 
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