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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3      General Discussion: Horrible lameness, horrible sameness...     1 2 3    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 11:07 AM     By:   Bob Bryden   (Member) I've concluded that the horrible lameness and horrible sameness of modern film scores (in general) is NOT the composer's fault. What gifted men like Marco Beltrami (The Omen, The Thing, World War Z, etc. etc.) and Patrick Doyle (the dastardly disappointing 'Thor' and 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' scores) and even Alexandre Desplat ('Godzilla') are forced to do in these absurdly repetitious farces is - follow suit. Too bad but there it is. When scripts, films, characters, performers and directors are devoid of originality and/or charm how can the scores be otherwise!?) Mind you, there was a time when we often remarked how a composer had 'composed a score for 'another' [read: BETTER] film'. When the score outranked the film itself. That doesn't happen too much anymore.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 11:20 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) I blame society    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 11:26 AM     By:   johnbijl   (Member) I blame the government.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 11:32 AM     By:   barryfan   (Member) The younger generation (I am 44.) has lost all sense of the value of melody and hum-ability. And these are our movie makers unfortunately.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 12:06 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Let's just get it out of the way. It's Obama's fault. It's very clear from recent interviews (Horner and Doyle) it's not their doing. Though I think some of the "top" newer composers ( I won't name names so not to offend anyone) really don't have the skills even if they were presented with the option of writing fully thematic material.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 12:22 PM     By:   DS   (Member) The studios at large might be to blame for rejections like "Troy" or "Pan," but the truth of the matter is that a lot of young directors aren't into having traditional Movie Music in their films and they're directing the composers to reflect their own musical taste (to name one example, I spoke with one composer who scored a movie that was temp tracked with Coldplay songs). Traditional Movie Music is "Old School" in America. Hope springs eternal that "The Force Awakens" will usher in a new fad for "old school" scoring in American cinema.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 1:19 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) I blame society I blame Canada.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 1:21 PM     By:   First Breath   (Member) Yaaaaaaaaawn............. Thor, please chime in and learn these guys a lesson... :-D    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 1:23 PM     By:   CinemaScope   (Member) Ay, it's a rum do.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 1:45 PM     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member) I can't blame all the films and their originality. I'd say it's a 50/50 share of blame here, so therefore it is the composers' fault. I've seen and skimmed through too many obscure movies, TV movies, TV series, from decades ago to know composers can write good scores to bad films (of varying degress of terribleness). Just look at some of the stinkers Goldsmith sc ored, for a better-known example.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 2:05 PM     By:   Spymaster   (Member) ...and even Alexandre Desplat ('Godzilla') are forced to do in these absurdly repetitious farces is - follow suit. Godzilla is a terrific score for a mostly impressive movie!    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 2:07 PM     By:   bobbengan   (Member) It is largely the fault of directors and producers for sure. Granted, most of these young USC/UCLA/Whatever educated composers are at best "Beltrami-Lites", but all the same I do think we'd hear great great music if, indeed, directors were more inclined to ALLOW and TRUST composers to write in such a style - and if they were more inclined to actually seek out great composers to begin with, rather than the mediocre ones. It's funny - Conrad Pope recently posted something about this on Facebook, which turned into a very long conversation in which I participated heavily. I was the only director engaged in the conversation, whereas most everyone else was coming at it from a composer, orchestrator or recording musician's perspective. I got an absurd number of friend requests and websites/demos sent to me off of that lengthy and very engaging conversation, some of them from people that are very accomplished and shouldn't have to try and sell themselves to a 20-something nobody via social media in this stage of their careers (I'm not naming names). I really enjoyed it but it absolutely speaks to how bad a situation this has all become for "traditional" composers in America. At least we have the brilliant composers elsewhere: Michiru Oshima, Roque Banos, Philippe Rombi, Yoko Kanno, Yugo Kanno, Joe Hisaishi, etc. who still give us wonderful scores... I hope to have the great fortune to work with one of these geniuses during my career.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 2:15 PM     By:   Thor   (Member) Yaaaaaaaaawn............. Thor, please chime in and learn these guys a lesson... :-D I don't have the stamina anymore. All I can suggest to those who complain about such things is -- explore more! Everything you want is out there. If you want a good starting point for good scores coming out each year, go to, say, the IFMCA winners lists: http://filmmusiccritics.org/awards-archive/    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 3:00 PM     By:   bobbengan   (Member) Yaaaaaaaaawn............. Thor, please chime in and learn these guys a lesson... :-D I don't have the stamina anymore. All I can suggest to those who complain about such things is -- explore more! Everything you want is out there. If you want a good starting point for good scores coming out each year, go to, say, the IFMCA winners lists: http://filmmusiccritics.org/awards-archive/ Yea, I do agree with this. People are way to focused on the Western canon of film scoring. Seriously people, EXPLORE JAPANESE COMPOSERS!!! They're pumping out sweeping Golden Age scores on a seemingly daily basis, often for trite and silly anime films/shows - But the music is frequently incredible! Stop bitching about how you want some third-rate Goldsmith or Beltrami released/expanded and start listening to the REALLY good stuff out there...    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 3:14 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) I thought Godzilla was a snore fest. I tried some of the Japanese composers and found them lacking much like today's "A" list composers. (One exception was Space Battleship Yamato)    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 3:20 PM     By:   bobbengan   (Member) I thought Godzilla was a snore fest. I tried some of the Japanese composers and found them lacking much like today's "A" list composers. (One exception was Space Battleship Yamato) ... Even Michiru Oshima's work? http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=109173&archive=0 Listen to at least the first four/five videos...    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 3:35 PM     By:   Leo Nicols   (Member) I thought Godzilla was a snore fest. I tried some of the Japanese composers and found them lacking much like today's "A" list composers. (One exception was Space Battleship Yamato) ... Even Michiru Oshima's work? http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=109173&archive=0 Listen to at least the first four/five videos... Michiru Oshima's music is incredible !    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 4:05 PM     By:   Alex Klein   (Member) I don't think there is any arguing that the A-list composers of today are absolutely dreadful when it comes to thematic writing. Desplat and Giacchino have shown they can do it at times, but even their best efforts fall flat when compared to the melodic genius of past generations of composers. For those who argue it is all the director's or the producer's fault, I ask you this: were all the directors and producers people like Barry, Williams, Goldsmith worked with necessarily better musically than today's filmmakers? Because stories abound of these great composers working with filmmakers who had no ears or sufficient perception to identify what music their films needed. And yet these composers always, ALWAYS wrote music that served the picture's dramatical components and stood up on their own as enjoyable music. For me, this is definite proof that at least part of the blame must go to the composers themselves. This is not to say non-thematic approaches are not valid, although it is hard to argue that the reason why golden and silver age composers are so respected and loved today is because they wrote melodies that are still ingrained in the world's consciousness. For the life of me, I can barely hum what today's A-list composers are writing (or dictating to their teams of orchestrators!). It just goes to show you that fame is seldom a synonym of quality. Alex    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 6:15 PM     By:   counterpoint   (Member) It`a all Putin`s fault.    Posted:   Apr 19, 2015 - 6:18 PM     By:   The Mutant   (Member) At least we have Star Wars to look forward to...     General Discussion: Horrible lameness, horrible sameness...    < 1 2 3  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3

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