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 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

It's now happened twice. DVD-rw drive in 2 separate computers started generating bursts of static on random tracks of scanned CDs. Now for second time I have to go back through hours of tracks to find out where begins by manually listening to each track. Then replace defective tracks. How do you prevent this?

Options:
1.)Buy a heavy duty external Usb DVD-rw. Don't know what brand or from whom.Can't imagine it will be as fast as drive connected to bus.
2.)always use error correction significantly increasing scan time
3.)replace computer DVD-rw and hope next one lasts a while. Worked on first defective internal drive.

Thoughts?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Nobody? My impression is a bunch of people on here have converted parts of their collection to digital. Surely there must be some similar issues.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

#2 for sure, and probably #1.

Don't to #3.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

I have had similar problems with about 1% of my CD collection. The culprit might be something called C2 errors which take place during the manufacture of the discs. I had once downloaded free software (forgot the name) that would check the quality of a CD, and every disc that had this problem had "C2 errors" according to the software. Discs that played fine did not have any such errors.

These discs would work fine on standalone CD players but NOT in my computer when ripping. Nor would they just play in the computer without static on the affected tracks.. I tried several computers. I tried different software programs to play or rip these CDs (e.g., iTunes). But these bursts of static would continue - always in the exact same place.

These errors were almost always near the end of the disc, with the static perhaps on the last few tracks - the later the track, the worse the static.

When I inquired about this (many years ago), I was told many computer drives are more sensitive to these errors than a dedicated CD player.

Good luck!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I've had troubles with some recent Intrada CDs when ripping them. Maybe four of the last eight. Mistracking and even blank spaces left on latter tracks, usually the last two or three. On re-ripping the individual offending tracks (sometimes several times) I've found the breakup to sometimes be in different spots within the same tracks, so I've ended up patching the good portions of one rip with the good portions of another, via my editing software.

However, PLAYED BY THE CD PLAYER, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. Only when ripping.

I haven't had such problems with other labels' discs recently, and I've used two different outboard drives with my computer, so they aren't the problem. Anyway, I do presently pay particular attention to any transfers to my computer of Intrada discs and check them carefully to see if they've transferred ok.

What are the discs you are having trouble with?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I've had troubles with some recent Intrada CDs when ripping them. Maybe four of the last eight. Mistracking and even blank spaces left on latter tracks, usually the last two or three. On re-ripping the individual offending tracks (sometimes several times) I've found the breakup to sometimes be in different spots within the same tracks, so I've ended up patching the good portions of one rip with the good portions of another, via my editing software.

However, PLAYED BY THE CD PLAYER, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. Only when ripping.

I haven't had such problems with other labels' discs recently, and I've used two different outboard drives with my computer, so they aren't the problem. Anyway, I do presently pay particular attention to any transfers to my computer of Intrada discs and check them carefully to see if they've transferred ok.

What are the discs you are having trouble with?


A.i. This time around track 13.

The first time around multiple scattered tracks till replaced drive. Error correction avoided further damage. What tipped me was I desire the vampire cd wouldn't read on that one computer drive it read at home CD player and another computer.

So when scanning to a computer do you always use error correction?

Don't know others of any yet..

Do you have an email?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

#2 for sure, and probably #1.

Don't to #3.


Any recommendations on good external drive that can take a pounding? I mean DVD rw

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

I'm not sure if I understand you're problem correctly, but if it is the ripping process, then a program called "Exact Audio Copy" (EAC) is clearly the answer to your problem.

Not only does it a pretty good job with ripping itself, it is in fact able to compare the results of your rip with two different sets of CD-databases.
So you know exactly if everything went fine at the end of the ripping process.

And in case of troubles, an additional program called "CueTools" can help you repair your rip as they store additional CD-information that can be used to recalculate wrong values.

Hope this is of some help for you!

Links:

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
http://www.cuetools.net/wiki/Main_Page

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2015 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   couvee   (Member)

I have the reversed problem. Some of my CD's don't play properly on my CD player, but when I import them to my computer there is no problem and any error is corrected. Not much help for you I'm afraid.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   Riddick   (Member)

Any good sofware that will work on Mac to detect this C2 problem? I have just started to convert my collection to iTunes using Apple lossless codec.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I am in the process (and have been for two years) of converting my CDs to digital files; I usually play them as MP3s or AACs from my smartphone (in the car, on vacation, etc.). So far, I have not noticed any such things. (Knock on wood.)

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

I'm not saying that it's necessarily the case with your specific problem, but it's worth considering that the CD/DVD-Rom drive might not be the culprit - it could be an issue with your sound card (or even the motherboard).

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   the_limited_edition_2   (Member)

Using EAC under Windows or XLD under Mac OS should prevent such glitches. They both work with correct drive offsets and secure mode, and with the Accurate Rip database.

If THESE two programs cannot guarantee perfect, secure rips, then you might wanna through the drive out.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I appreciate all the advice so far and just wanted to make a few things clear. I'm using iTunes. Directly ripping CDs into iTunes because it's simpler, I like using iTunes match, and iTunes Match is very finnecky with lame etc. I'm using AIFF.

I had professional knowledgeable people verify first time this happened that it was drive on computer 1. It started sporadically. Didn't realize went back months as never had noticed, used DVD drive for several months hundreds disks. On FSM board and googling a lot recommendation drive and error correction. Till replaced drive error correction worked. Then one day problem reading a risk error correction on and off that other drives had no issues. Since Replaced fine. I suspect pc DVD drives not designed for heavy use?

This time was on another computer #2. Same manufacturer and different vintage PC.

What I seem to be hearing is anyone ripping a lot of CDs, uses some error correction or detection software. It is slower but alternative is listening to every CD. Is this correct? Or nothing replaces manually checking each one.

Would you buy an external dedicated DVD drive? Would it stand up to more CDs without error correction? Any brand model recommendations? Is it slower than one in PC due to not directly connected to bus and going though Usb 2.0???

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   the_limited_edition_2   (Member)

iTunes is not a good tool if you want to rip your CDs once-and-for-all. It doesn't have the checks built in that XLD for Mac OS does, which rips more slowly, but is just as reliable as EAC under Windows. There is no alternative to get a perfect rip than to use the secure modes of these programs. iTunes is crap (it's also crap in about a hundred other ways, e.g. the mp3 conversion ripping is THE WORST of all!).

I don't understand why you don't go "the extra inches" towards using XLD. It's free, too, and there are manuals on the web how to set it up to make perfect rips.

If you can't do it with XLD, then either the drive or the individual discs are faulty.

http://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

iTunes is not a good tool if you want to rip your CDs once-and-for-all. It doesn't have the checks built in that XLD for Mac OS does, which rips more slowly, but is just as reliable as EAC under Windows. There is no alternative to get a perfect rip than to use the secure modes of these programs. iTunes is crap (it's also crap in about a hundred other ways, e.g. the mp3 conversion ripping is THE WORST of all!).

I don't understand why you don't go "the extra inches" towards using XLD. It's free, too, and there are manuals on the web how to set it up to make perfect rips.

If you can't do it with XLD, then either the drive or the individual discs are faulty.

http://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html


I've been having similar problems ripping CD's onto ITunes, though the static usually goes away after ripping a disc a second time. I started using error correction after I kept getting that static trying to rip a CD of Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet. What further makes the above statement even more true is that whenever I rip CD's elsewhere I don't get any of that static. I must admit this is quite baffling.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

I'm using an external Plexwriter Premium drive and the program PlexTools Professional XL. PlexTools Professional XL isn't as comfortable as EAC but it seems to be the only program that is using the information from the drive about C1-, C2- and CU-reading errors to get the best possible copy of CDs affected by disc rot or similar phenomenons.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

iTunes is not a good tool if you want to rip your CDs once-and-for-all. It doesn't have the checks built in that XLD for Mac OS does, which rips more slowly, but is just as reliable as EAC under Windows. There is no alternative to get a perfect rip than to use the secure modes of these programs. iTunes is crap (it's also crap in about a hundred other ways, e.g. the mp3 conversion ripping is THE WORST of all!).

I don't understand why you don't go "the extra inches" towards using XLD. It's free, too, and there are manuals on the web how to set it up to make perfect rips.

If you can't do it with XLD, then either the drive or the individual discs are faulty.

http://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html



Well mainly wont use XLD because doing it on a PC(smile).

Seriously its the convenience of ripping directly into iTunes into AIFF format. Why do I want AIFF format? Works best of high quality formats with Itunes Match. Trying to avoid multiple steps of ripping, format converting(which with high grade formats doesnt seem to work fully right iTunes), importing into iTunes, and then turning on iTunes match.

Its the number of steps though one could argue with the amount of time Ive spent discussing it I should just bite the bullet.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

iTunes is not a good tool if you want to rip your CDs once-and-for-all. It doesn't have the checks built in that XLD for Mac OS does, which rips more slowly, but is just as reliable as EAC under Windows. There is no alternative to get a perfect rip than to use the secure modes of these programs. iTunes is crap (it's also crap in about a hundred other ways, e.g. the mp3 conversion ripping is THE WORST of all!).

I don't understand why you don't go "the extra inches" towards using XLD. It's free, too, and there are manuals on the web how to set it up to make perfect rips.

If you can't do it with XLD, then either the drive or the individual discs are faulty.

http://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html


I've been having similar problems ripping CD's onto ITunes, though the static usually goes away after ripping a disc a second time. I started using error correction after I kept getting that static trying to rip a CD of Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet. What further makes the above statement even more true is that whenever I rip CD's elsewhere I don't get any of that static. I must admit this is quite baffling.


To make it more puzzling, my hardware experts say its the drive. They're sure that signs of dust etc. My google searches of problems seem to go a similar rot. But this is beginning to sound like too much voodoo.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2015 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)

You haven't been specific yet as to whether you're using a Mac or Windows.

Edit:

"This time was on another computer #2. Same manufacturer and different vintage PC."

Vintage meaning XP? If so, the brand and model number of the burner might help.



 
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