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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2015 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

I know this board is quite full of Horner tributes so I wanted to make one a bit different. Though I'm a huge Horner fan, I'm occasionally distracted when I hear something out of his bag of tricks (or James "pushing the right buttons" as he put it) but most of the time I don't mind much and, in fact, welcome those musical ideas because they work so damn well.

I'm not skilled in musical language so half of the musical ideas I want to reference I can't explain correctly. I'm thinking other posters will have an easier time doing that.

I think my #1 idea that Horner often revisited during his career was those deep piano chords he used in scores like The Perfect Storm, The Pelican Brief, and Sneakers. It's a very warm, somber idea, that repeat throughout scenes, not intruding but propelling the drama forward. I always get a chill when they come up, there's something about that particular chord and it's placement that I've always admired as a sort of calling card of his.

Not far behind that is his typical 7-beat snare rhythm, which opens Aliens and Apollo 13, almost constantly representing the government/military. Like any militaristic musical call, this motif gets your attention immediately, and when used quietly in the underscore of a scene, you're reminded of the systematic presence in the film.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2015 - 10:43 PM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

I think my #1 idea that Horner often revisited during his career was those deep piano chords he used in scores like The Perfect Storm, The Pelican Brief, and Sneakers. It's a very warm, somber idea, that repeat throughout scenes, not intruding but propelling the drama forward. I always get a chill when they come up, there's something about that particular chord and it's placement that I've always admired as a sort of calling card of his.

If it's that arpeggiated "resolution" you're speaking of, it's a favorite signature element of mine as well. On the prior FSM thread "A Catalogue of Hornerisms" (which I liked), http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=93355&forumID=1&archive=0 , it's classified as #7 "The Driftwood Chord".

Horner is actually asked about this piano motif in the excellent BAFTA Guru podcast, http://guru.bafta.org/the-guru-18-a-conversation-with-screen-composer-james-horner from an April 2015 interview. He had a nice response about using it to solidify the harmony especially in the context of parallel lines. Indeed, I've always found it like the punctuation of a period onto a sentence - structurally necessary, and sonically satisfying.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2015 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2015 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   bond6007   (Member)

Probably my favorite Hornerism is the twinkling piano effect that he frequently uses for introspective moments, such as in this excerpt from Titanic:




Here's another good example of it:

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2015 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

Probably my favorite Hornerism is the twinkling piano effect that he frequently uses for introspective moments, such as in this excerpt from Titanic:

Ah yes. I've always found there's a (deliberately) great "delicate" quality about that motif - like it could break apart at any moment. The opening 20 seconds of this cue come to mind for another example:




 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Unlike most everyone else, I've always LIKED Horner's trademark elements. It makes me smile, it makes the sound unique and it's a nice way to comment on the fact that scenes across genres are similar.

So thumbs up to the danger motif, the crashing pianos, the pulsating shakuhachi flutes, the minimalistic figure he often uses in dramas and so on.

But if there's one particular thing I love about his work, it's the loooong melody lines, and the way he uses them to build the equally long tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

His scarf.

And I agree with Thor, I also like the use of his trademark techniques and signature sounds. There is usually enough new material to keep things interesting anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

For me it's the "Brainstorm progression" (taken from Mixolydian mode?) in which the "dominant" is minor, the tonic, major (say D minor to G major). An example of something being quite old, at the time, sounding quite fresh and unique (especially to someone just beginning to study music, collect soundtracks).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Unlike most everyone else, I've always LIKED Horner's trademark elements. It makes me smile, it makes the sound unique and it's a nice way to comment on the fact that scenes across genres are similar.

So thumbs up to the danger motif, the crashing pianos, the pulsating shakuhachi flutes, the minimalistic figure he often uses in dramas and so on.

But if there's one particular thing I love about his work, it's the loooong melody lines, and the way he uses them to build the equally long tracks.



Bravo, Thor big grin I love his old standbys too. They don't bother me at all as they always work within the context of the current score. I DO loves me some danger motif, the crashing piano and clanging anvils.

Sure sometimes I'd shake my head or roll my eyes when one score turned up in another, but damn if I didn't end up loving each score every time.


 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

While it was arguably overused, I would say the shakuhachi, especially when used to signify muscle (Commando) or suspense (Thunderheart). Nobody used the instrument in quite such a versatile way as Horner.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

For me it's the "Brainstorm progression" (taken from Mixolydian mode?) in which the "dominant" is minor, the tonic, major (say D minor to G major). An example of something being quite old, at the time, sounding quite fresh and unique (especially to someone just beginning to study music, collect soundtracks).

That's the one for me, though I also like the punctuation piano from Field Of Dreams and everything else.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think the only time I've truly been aggravated by the danger motif is in ENEMY OF THE GATES, simply because there's so much of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

I'd like to weigh in for that lovely soft synth pad he likes to lay in behind the orchestra -- it's hard to describe but it has a very distinctive fluttering/randomly fluctuating amplitude. A wonderfully fragile sound he used in multiple scores.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I thought you meant the quotes he gave.

I was a big fan of his cymbalom work as in another 48 hours, commando and gorky park.
Much used by schifrin previously and others but it became a horner trademark.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

-crashing pianos

-clanging anvils

-cymbalom work as in another 48 hours, commando and gorky park

-loooong melody lines, and the way he uses them to build the equally long tracks.


Horner had excellent musical taste: choices of borrowings; melodicism and his apt and occasionally surprising harmonization of melodies; orchestration. But what I am most often drawn to are some of his effects - especially the piano clusters that gave his action music a wholly distinctive feel.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)




Horner's trademark elements. It makes me smile, it makes the sound unique and it's a nice way to comment on the fact that scenes across genres are similar.

So thumbs up to the danger motif, the crashing pianos, the pulsating shakuhachi flutes, the minimalistic figure he often uses in dramas and so on.

But if there's one particular thing I love about his work, it's the loooong melody lines, and the way he uses them to build the equally long tracks.


Yes, and yes! I love the "Danger Motif"! I always viewed it as Horner putting his personal signature on a score. It never irritated me, in fact when ever it came up it puts a great big grin on my face. Kinda like Horner is "winking" at me. I only have positive feelings about it. Yes, James I get it. wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

No one but Horner could accomplish the mix of steel drums and saxophone so beautifully in the 80s (and later shakuhachi merged with those two instruments)...that's probably my favorite "Hornerism"

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Your favorite Hornerism?

Well, for starters...LOL

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2015 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Not a "Hornerism", but no one can write those gorgeous ten minute long grand finales the way James Horner could, and often did.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2015 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Not a "Hornerism", but no one can write those gorgeous ten minute long grand finales the way James Horner could, and often did.

10, 15, even close to 20 minute sweeping epic pieces, I dunno how I neglected that one

 
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