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Jun 30, 2015 - 6:05 AM
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Disco Stu
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Inspired by the OTT thread, I got to wondering about this.
My imperfect memory tells me that Gladiator invigorated the ethnic wailing fad, since when we've been assailed with wailing from all quarters. However, thinking back, I struggle to recall any examples of it prior to Morricone's TV score to Moses the Lawgiver.
I'm sure there must be earlier examples, but what are they, and how far back can we go with this?
For the avoidance of doubt, I separate ethnic wailing from erotic wailing, so kindly don't go there. At least not on the messageboard 
TG
Would Clannad's "theme from Harry's game" qualify. If so, it would also qualify as THE ONLY time ethnic wailing is not to be punished by have all recordings erased and the contributors to it banned from any acoustic activity short of yelling fire in a burning building.
I dislike "ethnic" in general as it is an excuse for kitsch and ugly but that sound that grating godawful sound is so bleeding reprehensible.
"Tears of the sun" an entertaining film but that nhginyaaaaaaaaaaaah wangalddoooooowohhhh is pure torture.
Ethnic wailing? Unaesthethnic wailing more like.
D.S.
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Yma Sumac was prominently featured in the movie "Secret of the Incas". With backup vocals by her brother Poison.
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How about Gianna's indian screeching/wailing at the beginning of Navajo joe, 1966.
Is that ethnic enough for you?
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Oh, so if ethnic equals bad, whats the term we should use jon?
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I'm not sure we should be demonising ethnic wailers per se.
My only reservation was the ubiquitousness of this for a while in the current 'wail, drone, and ostinato' cliche.
When APPROPRIATELY used it's fine. It is after all a legit musical expression in many cultures, not to be put down. 'Keening' as it's called in Scotland and elsewhere. It worked very well in Horner's rushed 'Troy' score at Hector's demise.
The use TG states in pieces like 'Exodus' in 'Moses the Lawgiver' is sublime, especially given the cello backing.
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"Folk" might be a better term than "ethnic." Carries the same meaning, whether Middle Eastern, Asian, Indian, Native American, African, Celtic, etc. But ethnic is often the right term, because it is often used to denote an ethnic environment or ambiance.
I was the one who originally suggested making this a topic, responding to an OTT thread title about Edda Dell'Orso. But is hers truly an "ethnic" sound - or just more broadly European pop?
So best term is "vocalise" - that's what this is really about, some kind of vocal line, typically wordless or with words that are there for sound vs. meaning. Which would allow us to include wordless chorus examples in the Western Classical tradition, deriving most clearly from Debussy and Ravel. So Song of Bernadette, for example?
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