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 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   ray92   (Member)

I would very much like this score to be reissued and completed! One of Kamen's best scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

Just watched this fantastic film the other night...... must seek out this score.

And wasn't Martin Sheen's character a total "A-hole" !

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Just watched this fantastic film the other night...... must seek out this score.

And wasn't Martin Sheen's character a total "A-hole" !


Indeed, he was. I always thought that was the weakest element of the film/story. Stephen King could write a pretty compelling story now and then, but his "villains" were habitually portrayed as total/absolute caricatures, with not an ounce (gram) of nuance. Amusing at first, but not for long. One of the many reasons I've stopped reading his books (other reason: many, many, many other interesting books to read).

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

One of my favorites by Kamen, probably my favorite from Cronenberg.

The thing the film and its score get absolutely correct is the *coldness*. Both understand how bleak it gets in winter in the Northeast (though this was shot in Canada) and Kamen's aching sadness hits it perfectly. He did do this lush sense of loss later on in his career ("Logan & Rogue" in X-Men comes to mind) but never as completely.

Looking forward to the Shout Factory bluray

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

One of my favorites by Kamen, probably my favorite from Cronenberg.

The thing the film and its score get absolutely correct is the *coldness*. Both understand how bleak it gets in winter in the Northeast (though this was shot in Canada) and Kamen's aching sadness hits it perfectly. He did do this lush sense of loss later on in his career ("Logan & Rogue" in X-Men comes to mind) but never as completely.

Looking forward to the Shout Factory bluray


Yeah this is exactly it.
This movie gets the bleakness of Winter in New England better than any movie I can think of. It's just a perfect blend of tone, character and story which really is a combination of character study, thriller and ultimately tragedy. Shawshank is an amazing movie but I still think King's never been brought to screen better than The Dead Zone. And none of it works without Kamen. His score is the glue for the whole piece.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2021 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   SilentWitness   (Member)

The upcoming Shout Factory Blu-ray will apparently have a commentary with isolated score

Can anyone here confirm that the Shout Factory bluray indeed has an isolated score with unreleased music? On their website it's called "Audio Commentary with Isolated Score Selections", so I'm not quite sure if this is indeed an isolated score or just selections from the Milan CD matched to the respective scenes. Would be nice to know before I buy it, especially since I already own another bluray version of it and would buy it only for the isolated score.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2021 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Spence   (Member)

The upcoming Shout Factory Blu-ray will apparently have a commentary with isolated score

Can anyone here confirm that the Shout Factory bluray indeed has an isolated score with unreleased music? On their website it's called "Audio Commentary with Isolated Score Selections", so I'm not quite sure if this is indeed an isolated score or just selections from the Milan CD matched to the respective scenes. Would be nice to know before I buy it, especially since I already own another bluray version of it and would buy it only for the isolated score.


I checked out what was supposed to be an "isolated score" on the Shout Blu-ray, but whoever was doing the commenting, I gave up on trying to enjoy it as this person spoke over the scoring and wasn't even relevant to the music. A disappointment and missed opportunity to just let the music speak for itself. Commenting BETWEEN the cues would have still served the purpose of offering some insight into it, but if you desire an isolated score experience, this is not it.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2021 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   SilentWitness   (Member)

I checked out what was supposed to be an "isolated score" on the Shout Blu-ray, but whoever was doing the commenting, I gave up on trying to enjoy it as this person spoke over the scoring and wasn't even relevant to the music. A disappointment and missed opportunity to just let the music speak for itself. Commenting BETWEEN the cues would have still served the purpose of offering some insight into it, but if you desire an isolated score experience, this is not it.

Thank you for the info. I read in some review that the commentary stops after about 20 or 30 minutes and that only music remains for the rest of the track. But of course the reviewer didn't know or mention if the track included unreleased music or if it only consisted of selections taken from the OST release. So that's something that still interests me. If you're not familiar with the Milan CD, one example of unreleased score would be the brooding music for Johnny Smith's vision of Greg Stillson.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2021 - 2:36 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Hey... had a check for you and no its not a proper isolated score. The part you mention is just normal mixed audio with music and dialogue on the track. Haven't heard it all but a few random checks show music playing over sequences that don't have any so looks like they've done a 'Legend' and just tracked the existing released music over bits in the film and not necessarily even in the right places. Shame.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2021 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   SilentWitness   (Member)

Hey... had a check for you and no its not a proper isolated score. The part you mention is just normal mixed audio with music and dialogue on the track. Haven't heard it all but a few random checks show music playing over sequences that don't have any so looks like they've done a 'Legend' and just tracked the existing released music over bits in the film and not necessarily even in the right places. Shame.

Thank you very much for the info. Wow, I almost suspected something like this. A pity about the missed opportunity and very good to know. Many thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2021 - 3:14 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Maybe we'll get a spruced up 40th Anniversary CD edition from Quartet or LLL in a few years time?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2021 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Just watched this fantastic film the other night...... must seek out this score.

And wasn't Martin Sheen's character a total "A-hole" !


Indeed, he was. I always thought that was the weakest element of the film/story. Stephen King could write a pretty compelling story now and then, but his "villains" were habitually portrayed as total/absolute caricatures, with not an ounce (gram) of nuance. Amusing at first, but not for long. One of the many reasons I've stopped reading his books (other reason: many, many, many other interesting books to read).


Caricatures? King was absolutely prophetic.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2021 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yeah, I always thought the Martin Sheen/Greg Stillson character was VERY REAL.
Your typical, megalomaniac politician.
Outward smarm and charm, inner sociopath and b@stard.
Spot on!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2022 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Typoon3   (Member)

Cronenberg says some nice things about Kamen, I think at the beginning of the History of Viokence commentary. At this point, Kamen's New Line Pictures jingle plays and DC mentions him. Kamen had only died about a year before at this point.

Kamen may have been forced on Cronenberg on this film, but boy did he come up with the goods.

Howard Shore is involved in an awful lot of one-off composer/director switches. Dead Zone, Ed Wood, Kong Kong...


He wasn't FORCED onto anyone. The producer did what he was entitled to do, hire a composer of his choice. That is not automatically the director's job!! It was also Dino De Laurentiis decision to hire Queen to score 'Flash Gordon' and I don't recall Mike Hodges saying he was FORCED to work with them.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2022 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Yeah, I always thought the Martin Sheen/Greg Stillson character was VERY REAL.
Your typical, megalomaniac politician.
Outward smarm and charm, inner sociopath and b@stard.
Spot on!


If I have one complaint with the movie, its simply how Martin Sheen holds the kid up at the very end of the film. It just doesn't sell the idea very well at all. The rest of his performance is spot-on though.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2022 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

Onya, if you dig Dead Zone you should check out Sibelius' 2nd and 4th symphonies, which Kamen drew upon for this score (openly and avowedly iirc)

I thought that theme sounded familiar!


Aren't the Sibelius borrowings just fragments of the symphonies?

INVENTING THE ABBOTS is another Kamen score worth exploring (though quite a different animal from DEAD ZONE.)
His use of "The Ballad of Springfield Mountain" is exquisite, and interesting to compare to its use by Herrmann (THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER) and Waxman (PEYTON PLACE.)

 
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