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 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Here's how you get your extra billion. Hire RDJ.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

I thought Star Trek Into Darkness was (already) "less Star Trek-y."

Does that mean less like JJ's "Star Wars wearing Star Trek's coat" approach, or?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

If they can make one that is less Star Wars-y, it'll automatically be more Trek-y. I'm still awaiting the first actual star trek adventure for the Abrams' crew that doesn't involve out of character action and stock villains.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

I can't help wondering if the new one will look less like Star Wars in Star Trek uniforms and more like Avengers in Star Trek uniforms.

Hey Paramount, if you don't want it to be like Star Trek then maybe you could make a new franchise instead of bastardizing an existing one.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 7:19 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

I can't help wondering if the new one will look less like Star Wars in Star Trek uniforms and more like Avengers in Star Trek uniforms.

Hey Paramount, if you don't want it to be like Star Trek then maybe you could make a new franchise instead of bastardizing an existing one.


Exactly- and that goes for so many 'reboots' and whatnot.

Paramount, if you didn't want to make a ST movie- then you shouldn't have. Quit insulting fans of such a vast property by putting out shit movies and calling them ST.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I can't help wondering if the new one will look less like Star Wars in Star Trek uniforms and more like Avengers in Star Trek uniforms.

Hey Paramount, if you don't want it to be like Star Trek then maybe you could make a new franchise instead of bastardizing an existing one.


Well I think Guardians of the Galaxy is basically Marvels "Star Wars", I'm sure they will follow that formula.

No matter how successful a Star Trek film maybe, it will always have a bit of a stigma attached to it and won't have the mass appeal (profits) as something new and modern. It will always be that 60's show.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   BobJ   (Member)

Musical numbers people! That's where the real money is at for this franchise.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I haven't seen either of the JJ Abrams Trek films, but remember the "oh moy gawd! This is soooo great!" euphoria that so many old-time Trek fans had for the 2009 film. You know, like how Bond fans had to rethink their devotion to Timothy Dalton after "Casino Royale" shook their foundations...

...and the about face and Logic explorations that took place after Into Darkness was thrown out there... wink

Me, I just watch the 1966-69 series and the six movies with the original cast. TNG had its moments, though, and I watch an episode of that every so often.

At least what has (apparently) been done to Trek pales in comparison to how George Lucas "raped" a generation's childhood with the prequel films. roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

A quoted reaction in the article mirrored what I was thinking when I read this.

"I read that last bit and I say to myself… oh, they just want to make it like the original Star Trek TV show. A show that was pitched as Wagon Train To The Stars, a space western. A show that had episodes where Kirk and Spock found themselves on a planet ruled by 1930s mafioso, a show where the spirit of Jack the Ripper took over Scotty and a show where one of the greatest episodes is a submarine battle story. They had episodes that were courtroom dramas and episodes that were love stories. To me that is Star Trek – a bunch of different genres and story types into which the Trek characters are inserted."

Star Trek is at its base a format, not a story: a big part of the reason for its success over the decades. It can be many, many things and still be Star Trek.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Me, I just watch the 1966-69 series and the six movies with the original cast.

Same for me.

I don't think I've seen more than a handful of TNG episodes, and that's more than enough, although I did see "First Contact" and must admit I thought that was quite good.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Me, I just watch the 1966-69 series and the six movies with the original cast.

Same for me.

I don't think I've seen more than a handful of TNG episodes, and that more than enough, although I did see "First Contact" and must admit I thought that was quite good.


I came to the TNG "party" late; the third season. I liked it well enough up until DS9 started crossing over with it and all that stuff with the Bajorans and Cardassians (not the freakish, large-assed, rat-faced women we're supposed to know all about, but those other monstrous beings; the ones who tortured Picard).

I haven't seen but a few episodes from the last few seasons and only tuned into the series finale as an obligation to see how it all wrapped up. I never warmed to the TNG crew and I wonder if they ever warmed to one another, such was that show's often cool, detached atmosphere. That Dr Crusher woman has one of the most sleep-inducing voices I've ever heard; she just drains the energy from every scene in which she appears.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I thought Star Trek Into Darkness was (already) "less Star Trek-y."

seemed like the Abrams movies changed the premise from 'Wagon Train to the stars' to "'Friends'[the sitcom] in Space." wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

I wish Paramount were less paramounty

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

You can't reinvent the wheel. "Star Trek" is just a name. Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley were Star Trek. Just like Hamill, Fisher and Ford were Star Wars. No wonder they are bringing those three back!

I thought Star Trek Into Darkness was (already) "less Star Trek-y."

Seemed like the Abrams movies changed the premise from 'Wagon Train to the stars' to "Friends"[the sitcom] in space. wink


I thought Next Generation was "Friends" in space. Or I should say soap opera in space.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Star Trek: To Nowhere Go?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

You can't reinvent the wheel. "Star Trek" is just a name. Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley were Star Trek. Just like Hamill, Fisher and Ford were Star Wars. No wonder they are bringing those three back!

I thought Star Trek Into Darkness was (already) "less Star Trek-y."

Seemed like the Abrams movies changed the premise from 'Wagon Train to the stars' to "'Friends'[the sitcom] in Space." wink


I thought Next Generation was "Friends" in Space. Or I should say soap opera in space.


NextGen was "'CHEERS' in Space"...or was that DS9?

And of course ST: Voyager was just "'LOST IN SPACE' in Space."

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I'm with Paramount

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Did Roddenberry really pitch Trek as "Wagon Train to the Stars"? I seriously doubt he believed that. He must have been trying to speak in a dialect the suits would understand. Trek certainly didn't become that, as the "Big Three" made that show great. That's what Star Trek has always been to me: those characters and their interactions with one another and how they deal with whatever adventure they're involved with at the moment. As long as they don't betray the characters--which they already have with the Spock-Uhura romantic relationship--as we've always known them, Trek is Trek--at least as I see it. However, if I don't like what they do to those characters I always have the original series and those six films, which is fine with me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Did Roddenberry really pitch Trek as "Wagon Train to the Stars"? I seriously doubt he believed that. He must have been trying to speak in a dialect the suits would understand. Trek certainly didn't become that, as the "Big Three" made that show great. That's what Star Trek has always been to me: those characters and their interactions with one another and how they deal with whatever adventure they're involved with at the moment. As long as they don't betray the characters--which they already have with the Spock-Uhura romantic relationship--as we've always known them, Trek is Trek--at least as I see it. However, if I don't like what they do to those characters I always have the original series and those six films, which is fine with me.


Nicely stated Jim.
I always thought that the built in history of these characters, as well as these friends in real life, always paid off. Even when they were given silly circumstances and awkward lines and in the worst script challenges presented in something like Star Trek V these characters always worked. There was a palpable chemistry and shorthand communication that worked brilliantly. There are very few Hollywood properties where the same actors might work together in the same roles for 30 years, and there started to be something pretty remarkable about the time of Wrath of Khan, where the actors, and the characters started to state on screen that they (both) had been together a long time. The fire side chat on Wrath of Khan, and Final Frontier, (forgetting for a moment the awful singing) are poignant where these guys look out at life realizing they are a family.

 
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