I don't mean to be a dick about this...I am sure these things just happen, either by coincidence or forgetting where you heard something or just the generic nature of certain motives...but I always had a nagging feeling that I had heard the music box theme from TNG's "The Survivors" before!
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Burt Bacharach): "Not Goin' Home Anymore"
ST:TNG: The Survivors (Dennis McCarthy): "Music Boxer"
Lukas, your archival experience must be pretty vast. I'm of the generation where Bacharach is something of a household name. Once you've seen BCATSK, that lyrical theme comes as no surprise the next time round.
So yes, I think you may have a point. It's the start that gives it away. Though just as Jeff suggests, TNG tends towards a generic music box sound.
I don't mean to be a dick about this...I am sure these things just happen, either by coincidence or forgetting where you heard something or just the generic nature of certain motives...but I always had a nagging feeling that I had heard the music box theme from TNG's "The Survivors" before!
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Burt Bacharach): "Not Goin' Home Anymore"
ST:TNG: The Survivors (Dennis McCarthy): "Music Boxer"
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Hi Lukas, There are similarities with Bacharach's theme, I saw Burt perform it at one of his concerts in the U.K. last year. A.K.A "Come Touch The Sun"
Here's "The Sandpipers" version...under the title "Where there's a heartache (There Must be a Heart")...... lyrics by Hal David. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcNDZWyqpA8
What makes each stand alone for me is the treatment. Bacharach's classic theme is built as a contemporary pop song, with the kind of repetition and song structure very familiar of the time. McCarthy is evoking the classical Viennese waltz of the 19th century in his STTNG piece, with lots more variety in phrasing and harmony. In fact it's a more sophisticated piece than I had realized, revealed thanks to this side by side comparison.
Also the first notes of both are a very natural way to build a stepwise melody on the piano, so easily used to start a phrase. Playing the Bacharach theme on the piano really suggests that he wrote it that way, messing around to find a theme. And hearing some of McCarthy's own playing in recent years, I can imagine him whipping this up at the piano as well.
And I don't mean to be a dick about this but that music box theme from TNG's "The Survivors" is horrible, I can't listen to it without going crazy. Great episode though.
And I don't mean to be a dick about this but that music box theme from TNG's "The Survivors" is horrible, I can't listen to it without going crazy. Great episode though.
And I don't mean to be a dick about this but that music box theme from TNG's "The Survivors" is horrible, I can't listen to it without going crazy. Great episode though.
I can hear a similarity, although I would be hard pressed to say it was intentional. But I also think the start of McHale's Navy and Star Trek II sound similar, so maybe I should recuse myself.
I can hear a similarity, although I would be hard pressed to say it was intentional. But I also think the start of McHale's Navy and Star Trek III sound similar, so maybe I should recuse myself.
And I don't mean to be a dick about this but that music box theme from TNG's "The Survivors" is horrible, I can't listen to it without going crazy. Great episode though.
As to McHale's Navy and Star Trek II, they both have a "nautical" sound - in that clearly Nicholas Meyer wanted a naval tint to as many aspects of TWOK as possible. But that "nautical" sound just comes from the conventions of the past 70 years in movie scoring about all things seaworthy, not on some likely connection between these two themes.
As to McHale's Navy and Star Trek II, they both have a "nautical" sound - in that clearly Nicholas Meyer wanted a naval tint to as many aspects of TWOK as possible. But that "nautical" sound just comes from the conventions of the past 70 years in movie scoring about all things seaworthy, not on some likely connection between these two themes.
you're probably correct. But let me thank you for even considering there was a connection.
