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 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 10:12 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I told my best friend that the New Horizons probe more than likely snapped thousands of photos as it whizzed by Pluto, and he says that it took MAYBE a dozen or so. I told him that NASA was NOT going to spend over 700 MILLION DOLLARS on a probe that would only take a FEW pictures.
Have any of you read or heard just how MANY photos the probe DID take?

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 11:42 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Not scholarly or definitive, but this article states that "New Horizons has only sent back 1 to 2 percent of the data it has collected. The space probe has many more images of Pluto’s system to show us, and we’ll get those pictures over the next couple of weeks."

http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/18/8996017/nasa-new-horizons-pluto-flyby-best-photos

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 1:23 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

News articles state it will take about 16 months to transmit all the data back to Earth.

e.g.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/14/nasas-new-horizons-probe-makes-pluto-flyby-nine-years-after-leaving-earth


This article explains the reason being because of the slow data transmission speed, so it doesn't actually say how many pictures, just why we've only got a small amount so far:

http://gizmodo.com/why-itll-take-new-horizons-16-months-to-send-us-this-we-1717769317

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

New Horizons uses 32-bit processors. From an article I've previously read, it has the power of 4 Nintendo Playstation machines.

If there are 2x 8GB memories, of which only 1x is used to store picture information, then I assume the 32-bit processor has to use hardware paging, as 32 bits can only access 4GB at a time. If we assume picture resolutions of 1280x1024 with, say, two bytes for pixel channels then each 4GB chunk could store 1638.4 pictures. That would be about 3276.8 decently resolvable pictures that are not compressed. That's an estimate, although I think New Horizons is not likely to be capable of storing much more than that.

If the picture memory is full and another Kuiper Belt object is encountered, the on-board software will have to wipe the memory as desired to make more room for newer pictures/data. The probe must have used a fair bit of propellant in the Pluto flyby. Far more worrying is how much fuel is there left to be able to pitch, yaw and roll the probe to make the most of any further encounters. When the fuel is gone, either NH will tumble or the last squirts of hydrazine could be used to spin it up so that it points in some favorable direction. At that point, it becomes an artefact from planet earth.

Edit: according to Wikipedia, 36MP is a resolution of 7360x4912 as standard.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

It's interesting to think, when you mention all those specifications, how data storage and transmission technology must have advanced in the 9 years since New Horizons started its journey...

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

Imagine how much the imaging, sensor and other systems have improved since the Voyagers in the '70s.

If someone wants to loft an NTR, we could revisit Pluto in about 5 years. A probe massing about 5000 Kg could carry a lot of science packages. (That would be about 10 times the size of New Horizons.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_thermal_rocket

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2015 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yes, there should be thousands of images. Keep in mind NH can't take instructions and send data back at the same time. It takes something like 8hrs for the probe to receive a command then send data back. The radar dish is smaller than they would have liked. A bigger dish would speed up data transmission. Also, while we all love pretty pictures that's not the end of it. NH has several scientific packages on board that took other kinds of scientific data.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

More info:

New Horizons will operate in three separate "departure phases" that last until January 2016, when the mission's Pluto encounter officially ends. But data delivery to Earth will continue far beyond that date, because downlink rates are so slow — about 2 kilobits per second — and the probe has gathered so much information about the dwarf planet system. (New Horizons must also share the use of NASA's Deep Space Network of data-receiving antennas with other missions.)

New Horizons collected about 50 gigabits of data during its nine-day-long "close-approach" phase of operations, which ended Thursday (July 16). As of Friday, less than 2 percent of that information had come down to the ground, Stern said.

New Horizons is initially sending home compressed versions of its data files, to get them back to Earth relatively quickly. A concerted effort to get all the flyby data down in compressed form will begin in September and should take 10 to 12 weeks, Stern said.

The complete dataset of uncompressed files, meanwhile, should be on the ground by late 2016, NASA officials have said.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

Just watched Pluto: First Encounter on Science Channel here in the UK, and the commentary near the end mentioned, "...hundreds of images taken at close range now streaming back to Earth..."

This will be happening over the next 16 months while New Horizons carries on travelling further away from us.

It was a very interesting programme, particularly the segment talking about the potential pitfalls of collisions with space dust the size of ball-bearings travelling at similar speeds. Amazing to think what they've got to deal with out there during these missions.

EDIT: This looks like the programme I watched... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBdFr7QuKyY

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Let's hope NASA learned something from this....

https://youtu.be/nfD15zgsET0?t=2430

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

So pluto-nic. Ed invites Gay Ellis to drop in on him. But first, he needs to get his focal lengths and magnification factors right.

 
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