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 Posted:   Aug 20, 2015 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I really like Leonard Rosenman's score from BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES.

I remember seeing the film for the first time as a kid, not in the Theater, but on CBS Television when they were showing all of the Apes Films. I guess I was 13 or 14 at the time. The music just gave the film such great atmosphere in it's striking cords and dissonance. The Main Title with it's quick homage to Ennio Morricone's Spaghetti Western Riff was cool. I think he (Rosenman) did well in following Goldsmith's feel of the first film and took it further with his music really selling this twisted world full of apes and now horrific mutants. It's one of my favorite of the Apes Films. I actually prefer it to his later BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES Score, which did have some nice more lyrical material.

The movie itself was just fun to watch and I thought Franciscus did a wonderful job and David Watson filling in for Roddy Mcdowall did great in capturing the character as first realized by Roddy. I always wondered what a 2nd Apes Goldsmith score for this entry would be like.

I'm so glad FSM put out their CD Release which featured the Original Re-Recording of the Rare LP and the film tracks as well.

Please share your thoughts.

Rosenman's atmosphere setting Main Title. Yes, Ennio's in there at 0:22 and 0:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJZY-ePsvg&list=PL49FD7CA5270D7C42



 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2015 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

The music just gave the film such great atmosphere in it's striking cords and dissonance. ... I think he did well in following Goldsmith's feel of the first film and took it further with his music really selling this twisted world full of apes and now horrific mutants. ... I actually prefer it to his later BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES Score, which did have some nice more lyrical material.

I agree on these points. Beneath is also the better score/movie compared to the rather tame Battle. It fits so well within the universe and as a continuation of the first movie. Even despite the whole contractual stuff with Heston and the bleak ending (almost killing the franchise) I like they took it in this direction. The mutants were an unexpected but cool addition.

I always wondered what a 2nd Apes Goldsmith score for this entry would be like.

Especially considering his sequel scores have always had such rich expansions of the themes and a wealth of new material. And those mutants, who knows what Jerry would have done for them! wink

I'm so glad FSM put out their CD Release which featured the Original Re-Recording of the Rare LP and the film tracks as well.


It took me quite some time to get this to complete my apes score collection, but it was worth the wait. The LP versions are a great bonus.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2015 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Rosenman didn't try to emulate Goldsmith (though he liked the score for the first film), but his avant grade ideas became more profound through distorted strings, dark brass to effectively depict the nightmarish world of the apes.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2015 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Saw it on cbs first time too. Not in theater.

Never got over how one sumner had ape-a-thon in theaters and music used for commercial was the beneath main title.

As for battle being tame never forgot how nyt commented on how worn out it and some other sequels were including a bond movie. Nyt asked why are they showing this and time to end series.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2015 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I have had the LP for quite some time and love it. I watched the movie recently. I liked the music in the film, but like the LP version much more. It perfectly encapsulates the anything-goes experimentalism of the early 1970s.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2015 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

I've got a 20-or-so page section of the latter part of my Simians & Serialism book that provides the behind-the-scenes on how the film went from Jerry Goldsmith to Leonard Rosenman as composer on BENEATH and some real dirt on how the "concept" LP came to be (hint--it wasn't originally planned to be so bizarre!).

I really love Rosenman's score, though many still pine for a Goldsmith sequel score. With regards to the Morricone pastiche or tribute, I'm personally not so sure about that...given that I'm not so sure Rosenman knew Morricone's work at that time. I'm certainly not disputing it's true; however, a look at his sketches might go a long way to either confirm or refute this hypothesis. Would be very cool if it were true!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2015 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

I love the film recording and LP equally, and for very different reasons. It's a really tremendous score - incredible musical architecture throughout, and fascinating development of ideas - whether motivic (must love that Ape army tune!) or textural. I discover new things every time I listen to it. Must confess I love his score for "Battle", too - that "Main Title" is wonderfully catchy, and really biting and funny - it scores the soldier that Claude Akins thinks he is, instead of the one he is in reality - almost a satirical "Patton".

I wouldn't be surprised if Rosenman had at least a passing familiarity with Morricone's work at this time, since he lived in Rome for much of the mid-60s, studying with Dallapiccola, and serving as a composer and conductor-in-residence with the orchestra of Santa Cecilia - so he'd probably heard a little Morricone through the local cinema and so on. However, I don't really hear the Morricone influence as much as I hear an extension of the techniques he was exploring in his "Chamber Music II" from 1968 - particularly in some of the electronic effects utilized throughout "Beneath", as well as some of the more odd punctuation and "spaciousness" of this music, "Chamber Music II" provides an interesting antecedent (though no material is recycled between the piece and the score) - whereas a lot of the more klangfarben based things go back to the "Chamber Symphony", and are also a logical extension from some of the writing in "Fantastic Voyage" (the rapid coloristic shifts, particularly through levels of transparency between chords and such). Still, it's an interesting connection to make.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2015 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I think music from Rosenman's BENEATH is used in the opening of BATTLE as images of ESCAPE and CONQUEST recounting the birth of Milo and rise of Caesar are seen.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2015 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

I think music from Rosenman's BENEATH is used in the opening of BATTLE as images of ESCAPE and CONQUEST recounting the birth of Milo and rise of Caesar are seen.

Actually it's tracked (very well executed) from different parts of the BATTLE score. This happened because the film had a whole subplot removed (available in the Director's version on DVD and Blu-ray) and the film clocked in at around 83-minutes. The extended ESCAPE and CONQUEST flashbacks were added to pad-out the length to make the Studio and Theatre owners happy. (It still only came in at 86 minutes and IMHO is better with the sub-plot in the storyline.)

 
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