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Sep 29, 2015 - 4:45 AM
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Graham Watt
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I know you know I'm really a soundtrack numbskull pretending to know it all, so here's further proof of my thinly-disguised ignorance. You'd think that as I like Schifrin so much, I'd have THE FOX, but I don't. Sooooooo -
I only really remember the Main Title from when it was on the telly donkey's years ago, but I always loved that chamber orchestra autumnal sound, sort of impressionistic (?) What are people's impressions of the whole score?
By the way, is the Aleph release a re-recording? If so, does it hit the mark? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only other release was a kind of half-hour jobby with songs and maybe dialogue or something. Yes? No? Don't know?
Tell me if I should buy this. If I don't like it, you're to blame though.
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The Aleph 19 Track Version is a 1999 Re-Recording, but Warner also released the Original 13 Track Version on CD. I have both and i slightly prefer the Aleph. I find it to be more "involving"...
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Sep 29, 2015 - 5:24 AM
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Rollin Hand
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I know you know I'm really a soundtrack numbskull pretending to know it all, so here's further proof of my thinly-disguised ignorance. You'd think that as I like Schifrin so much, I'd have THE FOX, but I don't. Sooooooo -
I only really remember the Main Title from when it was on the telly donkey's years ago, but I always loved that chamber orchestra autumnal sound, sort of impressionistic (?) What are people's impressions of the whole score?
By the way, is the Aleph release a re-recording? If so, does it hit the mark? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only other release was a kind of half-hour jobby with songs and maybe dialogue or something. Yes? No? Don't know?
Tell me if I should buy this. If I don't like it, you're to blame though.
It's an excellent delicate intimistic score which belongs to Schifrin's best efforts of the Sixties: see Cool Hand Luke, Coogan's Bluff, Hell in the Pacific, Bullitt, Sol Madrid, Eye of the Cat.
The Fox on Soundtrack Collector
http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/10316/Fox%2C+The
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Sep 29, 2015 - 5:25 AM
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Graham Watt
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I have the LP. I must have over 50 of his albums on either LP or CD. The Fox is good but nothing that I go back to very often. Don't know about the content of the Aleph CD, but you can get most of those for cheap, so if you're on the fence, why not?
Thanks Onya. I've done some research and found that the Aleph is indeed a re.record, which got mixed reviews. The original LP (I think re-released in France on CD) is the typical 15-minutes a side thing, but I don't know if less is more in this case or...eh.. more is less.
You're right, I can get the Alephs at a reasonable price, but I think I'd rather pick up stuff which is great, albeit expensive, rather than something that is mediocre yet cheap.
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Sep 29, 2015 - 5:38 AM
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Graham Watt
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The Aleph 19 Track Version is a 1999 Re-Recording, but Warner also released the Original 13 Track Version on CD. I have both and i slightly prefer the Aleph. I find it to be more "involving"...
Thanks Christian. I've got to be careful of comments "on the Internet." If there's only one comment from one guy about a score, and it's negative, that's 100% negative input, and I might think that everybody feels the same way.
I've generally got a very good "nose" for what I think I'll like. In the case of THE FOX, it's from my favourite Schifrin period, the pieces I've heard (I think I saw some of the film too) are excellent, and I'd normally get it no-questions-asked, like I did with JOE KIDD and a dozen other things. But when it comes to re-recordings, half of the time they miss the mark for me.
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I didn't like The Fox at all.
Lalo is at his best with the jazzy and/or funky stuff. I found The Fox way too sedate.
Filed with Coogan's Bluff - which was jazzy and occasionally funky (but which I didn't, for some reason, care for either).
Sorry Thomas!
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Sep 29, 2015 - 6:02 AM
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OnyaBirri
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By the late Sixties, Schifrin's writing became tighter and more abstract until the early Seventies when he blossomed and turned into an experimental composer: see THX 1138, The Hellstrom Chronicles to name but a few.
Hellstrom is amazing.
But when I think of the great Lalo Schifrin of the 1960s, I think of Gillespiana, the New Continent, Once a Thief, Rhino, the Man from UNCLE, both volumes of Mission Impossible, a Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On, Marquis de Sade, Jazz Suite on the Mass Texts, the Cat, Joy House, the Liquidator, New Fantasy, Mannix, and The Venetian Affair. And Bullitt, of course.
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Sep 29, 2015 - 6:08 AM
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Rollin Hand
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By the late Sixties, Schifrin's writing became tighter and more abstract until the early Seventies when he blossomed and turned into an experimental composer: see THX 1138, The Hellstrom Chronicles to name but a few.
Hellstrom is amazing.
But when I think of the great Lalo Schifrin of the 1960s, I think of Gillespiana, the New Continent, Once a Thief, Rhino, the Man from UNCLE, both volumes of Mission Impossible, a Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On, Marquis de Sade, Jazz Suite on the Mass Texts, The Cat, Joy House, the Liquidator, New Fantasy, Mannix, and The Venetian Affair. And Bullitt, of course.
I see what you mean.
Schifrin's early career was jazz-oriented and suspense-oriented. Then he matured into the impressionistic, intimistic and experimental composer. Take for instance, Dirty Harry: a urban score that blend street music and wild abstraction including jazz technics pushed to the extreme.
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Thanks people! I'm very tempted to order the Aleph FOX based on Thomas' assertion that rarely a re-recording was so good. Sorry you didn't like it, Simon! I happen to like both the early-to-mid-'60s jazzy Lalo, and the later merging with experimental and/ or intimate-jazz-baroque-avant garde. THE HELLSTROM CHRONICLE is an absolute masterpiece, but so is THE BEGUILED. And ENTER THE DRAGON and a ton of other things.
I only really went off Lalo a bit when he kind of lost that sharp edge. I think we spoke about this on another thread - how RUSH HOUR isn't quite ENTER THE DRAGON, and how THE DEAD POOL isn't quite DIRTY HARRY.
Yes, I think I'll get THE FOX.
If you think Rush Hour and The Dead Pool aren't quite up to scratch (and they're not really, compared to what went before them), try listening to Serial, which is so bland it could have been written by anyone, really. And actually it's practically indistinguishable from the rejected score that Kenny Ascher wrote.
Still - I suppose even Lalo has to pay the bills....
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I have nearly gotten to the point of unloading hundreds of CDs for this reason. 
