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 Posted:   Oct 1, 2015 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Having served on one jury (I was glad I did, and pray I never have to again), and soon to get called for another, I've started looking for comparisons of jury selection in other countries.

I could find no books in the library, and a couple of interesting links:

http://baltimorechronicle.com/020205MathildeSoyer.html

http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1378&context=facpub

Anybody know about other countries and how they choose juries?

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2015 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Well, here's one book that might suit:

World Jury Systems, Vidmar, 2000.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

dave is this another of your thinly-disguised jury threads?!!

in the uk, they go through names periodically and in certain areas. you are selected for two weeks service initially, unless you get a case that goes on longer.
once there, they call out selection of names from the main jury room for one case and then each side objects to 3 each i think, whittling it down to 12 and the remainder are returned to the pool.

its an eye opener. i couldve done with henry fonda!! or a gun to shoot half the jury!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Although I've been in plenty of film and film music-related juries over the years, I've never been in a "proper" judicial jury. I'm not sure, but I think it works the same way in Norway as most other countries, i.e. you receive a summoning in the mail. But juries are rarely employed here, at least compared to the US. We have a system of layman co-judges instead. Don't quote me on this, btw. I'm not a jurist.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Funny you should bring this up. I just got a jury summons last week! The last time was the mid 80's. Really shocked it took them this long to pull my name again. Never actually sat on a jury however.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

They choose one racist bigot, one old guy, one cold impassionate intellectual, one poor guy, one foreign national, one uninterested guy, one embittered guy, one small mousy guy, one regular guy, one guy with attention span problems, one natural leader and one social justice warrior.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

They choose one racist bigot, one old guy, one cold impassionate intellectual, one poor guy, one foreign national, one uninterested guy, one embittered guy, one small mousy guy, one regular guy, one guy with attention span problems, one natural leader and one social justice warrior.


FACT!!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I only did jury service once, must have been about thirty years ago. When you see a courtroom drama on the telly, the witness gets asked a question, gets one word out, but is then stopped - no more questions your honour. I real life the judge wasn't having any of that, saying, you've asked him/her a question, I want to hear the full answer. I was impressed by everyone involved except about half of the jury, who were about as thick as a boarding house sandwich.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I was impressed by everyone involved except about half of the jury, who were about as thick as a boarding house sandwich.


Sounds like you were the cold impassionate intellectual.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't want to be on a jury, I want to be the judge and jury. So envious of the dictators of the world.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 1:11 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I was impressed by everyone involved except about half of the jury, who were about as thick as a boarding house sandwich.


Sounds like you were the cold impassionate intellectual.


Oh I dunno, does knowing who the defendant was make me a cold impassionate intellectual? One juror thought one of the police witness's was the defendant (well he was a bit rough looking), another juror seemed to have no short term memory & couldn't remember what had gone on.

I remember thinking that if I was guilty, give me a jury trial every time & I'd stand a very good chance of getting off. If I was innocent, I think I'd be happy with three judges deciding. Well that's an intellectuals view of it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I did jury service here in the UK last year (after having done two weeks in the 1990s and not even having got to sit on a trial!)

Your name is randomly selected from our electoral role system, and you get a letter in the post telling you where and when to attend. It last for two weeks minimum, but can last longer if you end up on a trial that goes on longer than your two weeks.

At the court complex I was at, there was a pool of people (normally numbering over a hundred) for each week. From that pool, for each trial fifteen people (a mix of men and women, roughly fifty/fifty) are chosen to go to a court and then twelve people are selected from the fifteen.

Any objections against jury members would then be heard. Once that is cleared and a brief description of the trial is given for the benefit of the new jury, any jurors would have to declare any potential conflicts of interest and the judge and counsels would have to discuss whether that potential conflict would affect the trial. If necessary, the jury member with conflict could be replaced by one of the other three of the fifteen, or the whole jury could be dismissed for a complete reselection process to start again.

If the jury is OK, the trial starts.

I got onto three trials in my two weeks. The first there was a juror conflict and the jury was dismissed before the trial even started. The second got halted half way through due to legal difficulties with statements by one of the people involved. The third got through all the way. The law in the UK is pretty clear that we're not permitted to discuss any details of a case that we've sat on, even after it's finished, so I can't go into specifics. But I can say that it was a rewarding experience to have done a full trial, even though the final one I was on was not a complex case.

At the end of the evidence, the jury goes to the deliberating room and discusses what they've heard, and each person comes to a decision on where they stand.

If the jury is unanimous, then they decide on a speaker, and that person delivers the jury's verdict to the court on returning. If they aren't unanimous, then that state of affairs is relayed to the judge, who will make a decision on whether a majority decision would be acceptable. A truly hung jury (six guilty, six not guilty) has to keep deliberating until a majority can be had.

What is often missing from description of jury service is just how long you can sit around waiting to get onto a trial. Take books, games, anything, to keep yourself occupied. Also, even the interesting trials can often have legal points raised which the jury aren't supposed to hear, so be prepared for a 'fragmented' experience where you're in and out of the courtroom like a jack-in-the-box. Most cases are pretty minor, so don't expect to get onto murders and the like, they're not that common. Where you do get onto something like that, be prepared to hear and see some pretty disturbing stuff. I didn't get into any trials like that, fortunately, but while in the jury selection pool room I did hear of some jurors who did.

HTH.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Can you get out of it by claiming you're a racist or something?

By the way, is "impassionate" actually a word? I just checked it up. It must be one of the worst words in the language. Here's why :-

Adjective
(comparative more impassionate, superlative most impassionate)

Filled with passion; impassioned.
Lacking passion; dispassionate.


(Your Dictionary)

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)


What is often missing from description of jury service is just how long you can sit around waiting to get onto a trial. Take books, games, anything, to keep yourself occupied. Also, even the interesting trials can often have legal points raised which the jury aren't supposed to hear, so be prepared for a 'fragmented' experience where you're in and out of the courtroom like a jack-in-the-box.



'Sounds exactly like film-set work ... long delays, short bursts ...

And maybe ultimately it's the same thing ... a sort of theatre.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Can you get out of it by claiming you're a racist or something?

No, it's your duty as a citizen to be a juror when called upon. If you try and pull a "Klinger" in an attempt to circumvent the law, you can face legal troubles. Court fines or jail, I'm not sure. Probably falls under "contempt of court".

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)



in the uk, they go through names periodically and in certain areas. you are selected for two weeks service initially, unless you get a case that goes on longer.


So they use average citizens, like here?

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I did jury service here in the UK last year (after having done two weeks in the 1990s and not even having got to sit on a trial!)

Your name is randomly selected from our electoral role system, and you get a letter in the post telling you where and when to attend. It last for two weeks minimum, but can last longer if you end up on a trial that goes on longer than your two weeks.

HTH.


Aah, so they do use average folk in the UK, just like the US.

I hear other countries use other pools for jurors. I'm interested to learn about those systems.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)




At the end of the evidence, the jury goes to the deliberating room and discusses what they've heard, and each person comes to a decision on where they stand.


HTH.


"Discuss" was a pretty generous way of defining what went on when I did it. More like "3 or 4 people yammer their fool heads off, while I sit and try to have a cogent thought while all the blather spews."

I mean, isn't "thinking" part of the meaning of the word "deliberate"? You wouldn't know it by those people. Yeeesh.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Can you get out of it by claiming you're a racist or something?

No, it's your duty as a citizen to be a juror when called upon. If you try and pull a "Klinger" in an attempt to circumvent the law, you can face legal troubles. Court fines or jail, I'm not sure. Probably falls under "contempt of court".


Still I can see someone being dismissed for acknowledging their prejudices. I recall one criminal case asking jurors specifically if they had issues about race when the defendant was a minority.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Can you get out of it by claiming you're a racist or something?

No, it's your duty as a citizen to be a juror when called upon. If you try and pull a "Klinger" in an attempt to circumvent the law, you can face legal troubles. Court fines or jail, I'm not sure. Probably falls under "contempt of court".


Still I can see someone being dismissed for acknowledging their prejudices. I recall one criminal case asking jurors specifically if they had issues about race when the defendant was a minority.


Likewise a seemingly intelligent willing participant can be "excused". But you can't lie to get out of it.

 
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