Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 
This is a comments thread about Blog Post: FSM Liner Notes Instructions by Lukas Kendall
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

I got to say I always enjoy reading liner notes, especially the historical stuff (production of the movie, etc., the kind of stuff BYU releases tend to do more comprehensively than anyone else) and the technical stuff: what kind of shape the masters were in, what format they were, what was done to restore them, etc. What bothers me about liner notes is something Lukas has touched on, which is obvious, and that is you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. Shitty movies are never referred to as anything less than "miss-fires" or else in terms of "having gained a cult following over the years." An atrociously bad movie like Gremlins 2 is discussed by Robert Townson in terms that make it sound like a sci-fi classic on par with The Day the Earth Stood Still. And while we're on the subject of Varese liner notes, the notes to the Fimucite 6 concert CD make it sound like it was the most important film music event of the century. It would just be nice to read honesty in liner notes sometimes, but of course I understand where Lukas is coming from; you don't want to trash the films of the Studio you want to continue licensing from. And of course, all labels, not just Varese, are guilty of this level of what I'll refer to as pandering (not the best word, but you know what I mean).

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Hey, I love Gremlins 2, and it's not a guilty pleasure at all. Opinions actually do vary, shockingly enough (wink), and there's nothing wrong with praiseworthy notes if the writer believes the film really is praiseworthy.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


A valid criticism, but realistically we can't be overly negative in liner notes.

My argument to writers was always this: you've got the entire Internet to express your opinions about anything. For all the work and money we put in to convince studios to let us put out this music, we can't give them a package that dumps all over their movie—or anything, really.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

Hey, I love Gremlins 2, and it's not a guilty pleasure at all. Opinions actually do vary, shockingly enough (wink), and there's nothing wrong with praiseworthy notes if the writer believes the film really is praiseworthy.

Oh, most certainly, I will be one of the first to agree that tastes vary, and that it doesn't always represent a guilty pleasure (I personally LOVE Death to Smoochy; I thought it was brilliant comedy), but even for those who love something like Gremlins 2 (since we are on the subject), surely they still wouldn't regard it as even a classic of 80s cinema. The 57% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes suggests it's not well regarded that way by many anyways. I also loved Kingdom of Heaven, which gets a 39% critics score on Rotten Tomatoes, so I'd have to be realistic and say it's not exactly a classic of the historical epic genre, as much as I like it. However, like Lukas says, and I understand, we can't expect a realistic analysis of the film in the liner notes, that is the critic's job anyway, not the job of the people writing liner notes for CDs, who should be working in conjunction with the studios, most definitely.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Interesting topic and agree with all of the above.

Perhaps don't speak of the films merits either way. Discuss the music and how it relates to the film. The product after all is the music not the movie.

The thing that makes me laugh the most are the paragraphs of needless (often unwarranted) praise for the film that accompany the scores press release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

even for those who love something like Gremlins 2 (since we are on the subject), surely they still wouldn't regard it as even a classic of 80s cinema.

Especially since it came out in 1990.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Shitty movies are never referred to as anything less than "miss-fires" or else in terms of "having gained a cult following over the years."

If you want to work with someone again, you generally don't say their product is shitty. It's that simple.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Recordman   (Member)

One of my favorite topics smile

See FSM Vol. 1 No. 50 (October 1994)
- "Recordman: ...Becomes A Liner Notes Specialist"

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Great article Lukas, I enjoyed reading it, thank you for posting it.

I love (good) liner notes and always am happier with a final product if it was clear time was put into making them as good as they can be.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This post reminded me of this golden nugget of a thread that I did 14 years ago(!):

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=246&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

A valid criticism, but realistically we can't be overly negative in liner notes.

My argument to writers was always this: you've got the entire Internet to express your opinions about anything. For all the work and money we put in to convince studios to let us put out this music, we can't give them a package that dumps all over their movie—or anything, really.

Lukas


WELL PUT I must say and very right.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

I think the quality of liner notes varies considerably from release to release (some of the people who do it regularly are not very good; some are excellent) but one thing that seems to cause nearly everyone a problem is the track by track analysis, to the point I think most people would be better not even trying. You don't need to write that so-and-so's theme is played on piano then after a harp glissando there's a hint of the love theme because I can hear that by listening to the CD. If you want to tell me why these things are happening and what makes it interesting film music, please do, but barely anyone ever does.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

even for those who love something like Gremlins 2 (since we are on the subject), surely they still wouldn't regard it as even a classic of 80s cinema.

Especially since it came out in 1990.


I know, hey?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think the quality of liner notes varies considerably from release to release (some of the people who do it regularly are not very good; some are excellent) but one thing that seems to cause nearly everyone a problem is the track by track analysis, to the point I think most people would be better not even trying. You don't need to write that so-and-so's theme is played on piano then after a harp glissando there's a hint of the love theme because I can hear that by listening to the CD. If you want to tell me why these things are happening and what makes it interesting film music, please do, but barely anyone ever does.

That's exactly my point in the 14-year-old thread linked to above -- a desire for more WHYs.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Joe Sikoryak   (Member)

Now you tell me.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I found this to be very interesting and I'm always grateful for liner notes that detail the making of movies where not much information is easily available elsewhere, save for maybe an out of print biography or vintage EPK.

The Parallax View and Black Sunday, for instance, both have bare-bones DVDs so the liner notes (not to mention the online essays) have proven invaluable.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

There is nothing wrong with starting a sentence with an adjective phrase.

Other than that odd commandment, I agree with many of the points referenced.

I personally don't like descriptions of the on-screen action in relation to talking about individual tracks - especially if I haven't seen the film - but that is just me.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2015 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Great article there, Lukas. We need to see more of you in such form. Ahh I miss the old FSM days!

My bits on the liner notes:

FSM set the standard.Period. Even great labels like Intrada, Varese were not able to emulate the depth and focus that FSM wrought. La La Land is now the ruling monarch [IMHO] but the craft definitely originates from FSM. What I also like is the inclusion of fresh quotable quotes by the composer or film makers corresponding to the music being discussed, It adds a refreshing depth and integrity to the material.

The Track By Track should be more of a musical narrative, reminding audience of the events taking place with alongside with the musical description of motives, themes and techniques where possible]. [When I was hearing Joel McNeelys VERTIGO for the first time, many great things were happening: First of all the sound recording was fantastic and the 32bit digital sound was ground breaking for me on my music system. Secondly I had forgotten the story line of VERTIGO and while reading the notes my memories of the film and story were awoken. I could literally see the movie unfold emotionally and visually in my minds eye. And that's how I fell in love with VERTIGO, the movie, the music and the liner notes-although the liner notes were almost essay like)


 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2015 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

There is nothing wrong with starting a sentence with an adjective phrase.

Other than that odd commandment, I agree with many of the points referenced.

I personally don't like descriptions of the on-screen action in relation to talking about individual tracks - especially if I haven't seen the film - but that is just me.


I hated it at the beginning of an essay—just a personal preference. And I was the boss!

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2015 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Track by track can be valuable if done right - Matessino's ALIEN notes for example have bits of trivia if there is any to be had for each cue. In fact, his notes are always excellent.

I realize something like Alex North's PONY SOLDIER or Henry Mancini's NIGHTWING don't have much documentation or history to share, so the writers do what they can in those cases. The tidbits of info on each cue however really make for great repeat reading IMO.....

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2024 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.
Website maintained and powered by Veraprise and Matrimont.