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 Posted:   Oct 9, 2015 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I recently received as a gift the deluxe blu-ray release of "A Touch of Evil," and I was very surprised at the audio quality of the music relative to what I'd heard for years on the Varese CD and, much later, the dreadful Fresh Sounds/Blue Moon release. The film's end title music was omitted from both of those releases.

This makes me wonder if, someplace, there is a better audio source for the music, and if so, could one of the boutique labels release this.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2015 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thoughtful and thought-provoking post, Onya. As always, you demonstrate superlative taste and in-depth, critical thinking.

I share your love for Mancini in general and "Touch of Evil" in particular. Given the fact that the existing CDs contain virtually every shred of music from the film except for the end titles, I would agree that this would suggest an inferior audio source, as opposed to a deliberate aesthetic choice by the producers.

Also, given the superior sound quality on the blu-ray, I too have wondered if a superior audio source for this music exists.

Maybe others can weigh in.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2015 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

The film's from 1958. How good can it possibly sound?

So few scores from that era are actually listenable due to the limited audio fidelity of the time. I consider the quality of BEN-HUR to be, more or less, the litmus for where music begins to sound acceptable for listening purposes. There were always exceptions of course, but they were very few and far between and most scores from the 50's and previously are just grating as hell to me, sonically.

Does this one follow suit?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2015 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The film's from 1958. How good can it possibly sound?


You didn't read my post.

My point is that the music in the film sounds WAY BETTER than it does on the CD. This fact combined with the missing end titles on the CD might suggest that an inferior source was used for the preparation of the CD.

Buy or rent the blu-ray, and compare it to either release of the CD, and tell me that you do not hear a significant difference in sound quality.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2015 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

?????

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2015 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Thoughtful and thought-provoking post, Onya. I don't know the answer to your question, but you've already got 284 views! These threads sometimes take a while to take off, but someone will probably chime in. They're probably just not in the mood right now. Lazy bastards.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2015 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thoughtful and thought-provoking post, Onya. I don't know the answer to your question, but you've already got 284 views! These threads sometimes take a while to take off, but someone will probably chime in. They're probably just not in the mood right now. Lazy bastards.

Thanks! If you've watched the blu-ray versions, the difference in audio from the Varese CD is striking.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2018 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Bumpity bump bump bump.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2018 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Varese's CD, the majority of it came from a 3 3/4 inch pre-recorded tape I had. It wasn't called Touch of Evil but some generic title, but that's what it was, along with another Mancini album from that era pre RCA. The contents of that tape were from the VERY rare Mancini album on Challenge - it too wasn't called Touch of Evil - I still have my LP somewhere - it has kids dancing on the cover like it was a rock-and-roll album. That had all cues that weren't on the original LP. Tom Null deemed that the tape was preferable to my LP because in those days doing an LP transfer was bad - no way to clean it up. I don't know where the other bits came from from the original LP release.

And even now the second Challenge LP shows up in no discography that I've looked at. I think, in fact, that it never actually got released and only promo copies got out there - I've had two over the years, but unfortunately all the LPs are in boxes and I can't really get to them. It is currently infuriating me that I can't remember the title - oh, wait - The Wild Side of Henry Mancini - kind of an orange-ish cover.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2018 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Aha, found it. Whew. You can see the cover here - this is what was on the reel-to-reel tape under yet another title.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2018 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thank you! Here is the Discogs listing for the Challenge album:

https://www.discogs.com/Joseph-Gershenson-Conducting-The-Universal-International-Orchestra-Henry-Mancini-The-Wild-Side-Of-He/release/2882525

I would still love to know if the master tapes exist anywhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2018 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Thank you! Here is the Discogs listing for the Challenge album:

https://www.discogs.com/Joseph-Gershenson-Conducting-The-Universal-International-Orchestra-Henry-Mancini-The-Wild-Side-Of-He/release/2882525

I would still love to know if the master tapes exist anywhere.


If Universal owns Challenge they probably have the original album unless it was lost somehow. Frankly, they may not even know the other album is Touch of Evil.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2018 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

I would still love to know if the master tapes exist anywhere.

If Universal owns Challenge they probably have the original album unless it was lost somehow. Frankly, they may not even know the other album is Touch of Evil.



Maybe coming soon to a Universal Film Music Heritage Collection near you! wink

I'd buy a remastered, sonically upgraded Touch of Evil in a hot minute if such a thing were to be made available. Even though I don't find the original Varese release particularly problematic. One of Mancini's greatest - a classic.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2018 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

My LP sounds better than the Varese cd. I bought and returned the cd in a hot minute.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2018 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

My LP sounds better than the Varese cd. I bought and returned the cd in a hot minute.

Interesting. I'll have to look into that David. It's a great, jazzy, score that probably benefits from that warm LP sound.

Anecdote: the last time was in Cali - October 2013 - a mutual a fellow FSMer, a mutual acquaintance of ours, drove me around several LA landmarks. One of them, while perhaps not a landmark per se, was instantaneously recognizable for anyone familiar with this film classic. Good times!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2018 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

... It's a great, jazzy, score that probably benefits from that warm LP sound.

I don't think this is an analog vs. digital thing. The LP was probably taken from a superior source.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2018 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

My LP sounds better than the Varese cd. I bought and returned the cd in a hot minute.


I never had the LP - my first copy of this was the Varese CD - so I'm happy that I never felt the need to rush back to the store for a refund, I could just enjoy the music. And of course the CD does have six or seven additional tracks, so there's that.

Is there room for improvement? Looks like it, so here's hoping for a crisp new version to which we can all upgrade!

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2018 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   mistermike   (Member)

I have large scans of the front and back covers of The Wild Side of Henry Mancini on my WWW site:

http://mjq.net/Mancini/wildside1.jpg
http://mjq.net/Mancini/wildside2.jpg

Almost 20 years ago, I corresponded with the late Mancini collector Dan Miles. He e-mailed me:

The two copies of "Wild Side" that I have both have dark green center labels. Both have "audition copy" stamped on the back in blue lettering. As far as I know only 1,000 were ever produced because shortly thereafter Challenge went out of business. In fact, both of my copies came from the record libraries of two different radio stations, one in Denver, one in Colorado Springs. That's one reason why I think this record was never commercially released. I think Challenge's biggest & maybe only hit was "Tequila" by the Champs. Anyway I too was fortunate to have one copy autographed when I visited Mancini's office in 1982. He did give it a strange look and said "where did you ever find this!" He then mentioned, "I don't think I even have one in my collection."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2018 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I have large scans of the front and back covers of The Wild Side of Henry Mancini on my WWW site:

http://mjq.net/Mancini/wildside1.jpg
http://mjq.net/Mancini/wildside2.jpg

Almost 20 years ago, I corresponded with the late Mancini collector Dan Miles. He e-mailed me:

The two copies of "Wild Side" that I have both have dark green center labels. Both have "audition copy" stamped on the back in blue lettering. As far as I know only 1,000 were ever produced because shortly thereafter Challenge went out of business. In fact, both of my copies came from the record libraries of two different radio stations, one in Denver, one in Colorado Springs. That's one reason why I think this record was never commercially released. I think Challenge's biggest & maybe only hit was "Tequila" by the Champs. Anyway I too was fortunate to have one copy autographed when I visited Mancini's office in 1982. He did give it a strange look and said "where did you ever find this!" He then mentioned, "I don't think I even have one in my collection."


Primrose Lane by Jerry Wallace was a hit, and Jan and Dean were Challenge artists.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2018 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

I recently received as a gift the deluxe blu-ray release of "A Touch of Evil," and I was very surprised at the audio quality of the music relative to what I'd heard for years on the Varese CD and, much later, the dreadful Fresh Sounds/Blue Moon release. The film's end title music was omitted from both of those releases.

This makes me wonder if, someplace, there is a better audio source for the music, and if so, could one of the boutique labels release this.


I had the pleasure of knowing Mr. Mancini for 20 years. I have an autographed copy of the Challenge album.
When I asked him how it came about, he told me he was able to take the tapes to a friend who had a home studio.
There they assembled the album. He said without his friend's help there wouldn't be an album. He wasn't particularly fond of the "Wild Side" album. It was pieced together once he was getting recognition from "Peter Gunn".
Also there was to be an album from "Voice In The Mirror" but it never happened.

 
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