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Nov 18, 2015 - 3:23 PM
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Of course there are beautiful exceptions, but they are far too few in number these days. I like being a warrior. Those who are afraid to say what they think will go down with a sinking ship.
So I guess I'll play this game: how many beautiful exceptions are too few in number for you? I agree that the *percentage* is unfortunately diminished, but so much music gets written and recorded for film that even if only 5% of it is good, that's still more wonderful music than I could regularly tackle in a year, even aside from all the great music of the past which is continually coming out.
I think history has shown us that the mentality of diplomacy has done more good for any cause in the long one than a warrior mentality does. I'm not saying you should be afraid to say what you think, but making blanket statements about today's music being droning and soulless only reveals an ignorant and close-minded point of view. Maybe you should inform yourself better. But it's probably easier to just dismiss it all while hardly listening to any of it.
How many good scores per year is no longer "too few" to result in you changing your attitude on the matter. Tell me and I will attempt to supply you with that number.
Yavar
Yavar, there is no doubt that you want to be an ambassador of good will that bridges the gap between the music of years ago and today. Good luck to you, but I don't think it will happen.
Musical tastes are formed early in life. If you like the music of today say so. If you don't like the "music" of today say so. I will continue to call the music of today as noise; knowing full well that there are exceptions to the rule. I do not have to qualify every time I call the music of today as noise that there are exceptions. You are very learned and serious man, but loosen up a little. Try to have some fun.
Without getting political as this message board forbids, sometimes diplomacy doesn't work. Take care and always feel free to be yourself.
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Nov 18, 2015 - 3:42 PM
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PFK
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Of course there are beautiful exceptions, but they are far too few in number these days. I like being a warrior. Those who are afraid to say what they think will go down with a sinking ship.
So I guess I'll play this game: how many beautiful exceptions are too few in number for you? I agree that the *percentage* is unfortunately diminished, but so much music gets written and recorded for film that even if only 5% of it is good, that's still more wonderful music than I could regularly tackle in a year, even aside from all the great music of the past which is continually coming out.
I think history has shown us that the mentality of diplomacy has done more good for any cause in the long one than a warrior mentality does. I'm not saying you should be afraid to say what you think, but making blanket statements about today's music being droning and soulless only reveals an ignorant and close-minded point of view. Maybe you should inform yourself better. But it's probably easier to just dismiss it all while hardly listening to any of it.
How many good scores per year is no longer "too few" to result in you changing your attitude on the matter. Tell me and I will attempt to supply you with that number.
Yavar
Yavar, there is no doubt that you want to be an ambassador of good will that bridges the gap between the music of years ago and today. Good luck to you, but I don't think it will happen.
Musical tastes are formed early in life. If you like the music of today say so. If you don't like the "music" of today say so. I will continue to call the music of today as noise; knowing full well that there are exceptions to the rule. I do not have to qualify every time I call the music of today as noise that there are exceptions. You are very learned and serious man, but loosen up a little. Try to have some fun.
Without getting political as this message board forbids, sometimes diplomacy doesn't work. Take care and always feel free to be yourself.
I don't like the "music" of today! 
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I am being myself, which is why I'm speaking up. And you didn't answer my question: how many good scores do you need, to stop doing things like putting "music" in quotation marks?
Yavar
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Nov 18, 2015 - 10:30 PM
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Amer Zahid
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Of course there are beautiful exceptions, but they are far too few in number these days. I like being a warrior. Those who are afraid to say what they think will go down with a sinking ship.
So I guess I'll play this game: how many beautiful exceptions are too few in number for you? I agree that the *percentage* is unfortunately diminished, but so much music gets written and recorded for film that even if only 5% of it is good, that's still more wonderful music than I could regularly tackle in a year, even aside from all the great music of the past which is continually coming out.
I think history has shown us that the mentality of diplomacy has done more good for any cause in the long one than a warrior mentality does. I'm not saying you should be afraid to say what you think, but making blanket statements about today's music being droning and soulless only reveals an ignorant and close-minded point of view. Maybe you should inform yourself better. But it's probably easier to just dismiss it all while hardly listening to any of it.
How many good scores per year is no longer "too few" to result in you changing your attitude on the matter. Tell me and I will attempt to supply you with that number.
Yavar
Come on. Movies are so much different today. Everything has changed. The soundtrack is dominated by multi layers of overwhelming sound effects. The composer is forced to forgo many artistic postulation for the director and the producers whim to sound exactly like the last score they liked. Its totally studio controlled. You don't have much liberty or license to dictate your artistic choices (not unless you are John Williams, Hans Zimmer or James Horner) And if you do you are shown the door. Todays movie aesthetics have forced the composers to compose in very restricted modes and time slots to compose and produce their music. Thematic structures, tonalities, story narratives, leitmotif quality music that was prevalent right upto late 90's and mid the 21st century is almost gone. The orchestral oomph is gone and replaced with synthesiser, endless drum percussions, filler noises and world music fusions.
I feel so differently today when I go and watch a movie. Apart from an occasional satisfying story development and characterisation there is no real involvement in the film. I try to enjoy the music or be swept but the whole experience, hoping that on way back home, I will be humming the music or at least yearning to go and buy the soundtrack. Well. I hardly feel that now. The mojo is gone from today's music. Its very rare for me to go out and buy a modern day film soundtrack and hardly there are less than 4-5 new albums that I will buy from this years releases. This isn't to say that film music art has declined entirely; some composers old and new occasionally bounce back with a stunning product E.g. Zimmer's INTERSTELLAR. Williams LINCOLN or John Debney's THE STONING OF SORAYA M.
The only great thing I that we are now well into the Golden Age of film music collecting and having most of favourite scores being re-issued, expanded and even re-recorded. The experience is totally different. My buying habits are mostly centred around these re-issues. This majority rules and I'm also constantly discovering more composers and scores from the last 45 years and its a treasure trove. There is real music in there with soul and heart. There is the thematic depth of Miklos Rozsa music, The fury and soul of Bernard Herrmann, the ferocity and dynamics of Jerry Goldsmith to absorb and behold and so on.
The music of all the above mentioned composers and the ones from the Silver and Bronze ages are for me is canon. Its not being 'ignorant or close mindedness' compared to today's artistic development, I feel Hollywood has lost his ears. Its the second coming of 'Tone deafness. I'll say it again, film music of today's cinema doesn't have the pull one used to feel previously. There is no chemistry. No clinical effect, except perhaps visually. You go and see the movie and talk about it. You have become like the other non-soundtrack listening sentient being who would just say when asked about the film music " Oh! You mean that background music?"
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Nov 19, 2015 - 6:50 PM
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PFK
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Of course there are beautiful exceptions, but they are far too few in number these days. I like being a warrior. Those who are afraid to say what they think will go down with a sinking ship.
So I guess I'll play this game: how many beautiful exceptions are too few in number for you? I agree that the *percentage* is unfortunately diminished, but so much music gets written and recorded for film that even if only 5% of it is good, that's still more wonderful music than I could regularly tackle in a year, even aside from all the great music of the past which is continually coming out.
I think history has shown us that the mentality of diplomacy has done more good for any cause in the long one than a warrior mentality does. I'm not saying you should be afraid to say what you think, but making blanket statements about today's music being droning and soulless only reveals an ignorant and close-minded point of view. Maybe you should inform yourself better. But it's probably easier to just dismiss it all while hardly listening to any of it.
How many good scores per year is no longer "too few" to result in you changing your attitude on the matter. Tell me and I will attempt to supply you with that number.
Yavar
Come on. Movies are so much different today. Everything has changed. The soundtrack is dominated by multi layers of overwhelming sound effects. The composer is forced to forgo many artistic postulation for the director and the producers whim to sound exactly like the last score they liked. Its totally studio controlled. You don't have much liberty or license to dictate your artistic choices (not unless you are John Williams, Hans Zimmer or James Horner) And if you do you are shown the door. Today movie aesthetics have forced the composers to compose in very restricted modes and time slots to compose and produce their music. Thematic structures, tonalities, story narratives, leitmotif quality music that was prevalent right upto late 90's and mid the 21st century is almost gone. The orchestral oomph is gone and replaced with synthesiser, endless drum percussions, filler noises and world music fusions.
I feel so differently today when I go and watch a movie. Apart from an occasional satisfying story development and characterisation there is no real involvement in the film. I try to enjoy the music or be swept but he whole experience hoping that on way back home, I will be humming the music or at least yearning to go and buy the soundtrack. Well. I hardly feel that now. The mojo is gone from today's music. Its very rare for me to go out and buy a modern day film soundtrack and hardly there are less than 4-5 new albums that I will buy from this years releases. This isn't to say that film music art has declined entirely; some composers old and new occasionally bounce back with a stunning product E.g. Zimmer's INTERSTELLAR. Williams LINCOLN or John Debney's THE STONING OF SORAYA M.
The only great thing I that we are now well into the Golden Age of film music collecting and having most of favourite scores being re-issued, expanded and even re-recorded. The experience is totally different. My buying habits are mostly centred around these re-issues. This majority rules and I'm also constantly discovering more composers and scores from the last 45 years and its a treasure trove. There is real music in there with soul and heart. There is the thematic depth of Miklos Rozsa music, The fury and soul of Bernard Herrmann, the ferocity and dynamics of Jerry Goldsmith to absorb and behold and so one.
The music of all the above mentioned composers and the ones from the Silver and Bronze ages are for me is canon. Its not being 'ignorant or close mindedness' compared to today's artistic development, I feel Hollywood has lost his ears. Its the second coming of 'Tone deafness. I'll say it again, film music of today's cinema doesn't have the pull one used to feel previously. There is no chemistry. No clinical effect, except perhaps visually. You go and see the movie and talk about it. You have become like the other non-soundtrack listening sentient being who would just say when asked about the film music " Oh! You mean that background music?"
Very well said Amer and I agree.
I hope those of you who are reading this thread will also buy VICTOR YOUNG VOL. 2 from Kritzerland when it's issued very shortly now. Quality film score CDs are not that commonplace now and we must support them.
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I didn't make an assumption -- I was very clear about it being a guess and that I could be wrong.
Does that mean you might be willing to drop a clue about the Rozsa title coming out on your own label?
Yavar
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