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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      Non-Film Score Discussion: Speaking OF all things "Star Wars".....    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2       Last Post   Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 11:46 AM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) The "Do you feel lucky, punk" scene, and where Eastwood presses his shoe into Scorpio's bullet wound on the football field, are some of the ugliest facistic moments in American film. Callahan was acting to get the information in order to save the girl Scorpio buried alive, was he not? You think that's fascistic? Callahan was woking against the clock to save that girl's life.    Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 1:12 PM     By:   RoryR   (Member) The "Do you feel lucky, punk" scene, and where Eastwood presses his shoe into Scorpio's bullet wound on the football field, are some of the ugliest facistic moments in American film. Callahan was acting to get the information in order to save the girl Scorpio buried alive, was he not? You think that's fascistic? Callahan was woking against the clock to save that girl's life. So, that makes torture okay? Sorry, but that's facistic thinking as far as I'm concerned.    Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 1:56 PM     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member) The "Do you feel lucky, punk" scene, and where Eastwood presses his shoe into Scorpio's bullet wound on the football field, are some of the ugliest facistic moments in American film. Callahan was acting to get the information in order to save the girl Scorpio buried alive, was he not? You think that's fascistic? Callahan was woking against the clock to save that girl's life. So, that makes torture okay? Sorry, but that's facistic thinking as far as I'm concerned. If YOUR daughter were in those circumstances and someone admitted to you they had her buried alive, would you want the police to get the results that would enable her to live or would you rather have her die?    Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 2:22 PM     By:   RoryR   (Member) The "Do you feel lucky, punk" scene, and where Eastwood presses his shoe into Scorpio's bullet wound on the football field, are some of the ugliest facistic moments in American film. Callahan was acting to get the information in order to save the girl Scorpio buried alive, was he not? You think that's fascistic? Callahan was woking against the clock to save that girl's life. So, that makes torture okay? Sorry, but that's facistic thinking as far as I'm concerned. If YOUR daughter were in those circumstances and someone admitted to you they had her buried alive, would you want the police to get the results that would enable her to live or would you rather have her die? Oh, man.... that's a typical right-wing type question. I suspect you'll not understand at all when I tell you the answer to that question is NO! HELL NO! I'd want my daughter to live, but I don't want police to torture suspects. Do you have any idea of what that can lead to? To use an expression that comes from another -- and better -- Don Siegel movie, YOU'RE NEXT!    Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 2:40 PM     By:   Disco Stu   (Member) Even though it may be meant as just entertainment, the film could be great because of that scene. It questions the example given by Jim Phelps as well as the response from RoryR. Having seen the film last week, the torture of Scorpio and the retrieval of the buried alive girl's corpse makes that I have no answer. I can understand both points of view. Most reasonable people know that you're on a express lane to hell if you give in to the beast in you in times of extreme stress, but what can you do if you have run out of options and time is running out? D.S.    Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 2:58 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Even though it may be meant as just entertainment, the film could be great because of that scene. It questions the example given by Jim Phelps as well as the response from RoryR. Having seen the film last week, the torture of Scorpio and the retrieval of the buried alive girl's corpse makes that I have no answer. I can understand both points of view. Most reasonable people know that you're on a express lane to hell if you give in to the beast in you in times of extreme stress, but what can you do if you have run out of options and time is running out? D.S. Key point to remember is "entertainment". Such a situation is hardly to arise in real life. It's fantasy.    Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 3:03 PM     By:   RoryR   (Member) Even though it may be meant as just entertainment, the film could be great because of that scene. It questions the example given by Jim Phelps as well as the response from RoryR. Having seen the film last week, the torture of Scorpio and the retrieval of the buried alive girl's corpse makes that I have no answer. I can understand both points of view. Most reasonable people know that you're on a express lane to hell if you give in to the beast in you in times of extreme stress, but what can you do if you have run out of options and time is running out? D.S. Believe it or not, I don't have any Star Wars movies on Blu-ray (though I did once have the original trilogy on laserdisc back last century), but I do have the first two DIRTY HARRY movies (the others are crap) on Blu-ray. Go figure. My ultimate take on DH is that that the messages we get from the movie are mixed at best and addle-brained at worst. I'll tell you one thing I believe, that what was originally planned with Frank Sinatra would have made a much better movie than what we have once Eastwood got involved, because above all else what DIRTY HARRY is as a movie is fantasy. (Oh, Solium beat me to that!)    Posted:   Nov 22, 2015 - 4:46 PM     By:   Grecchus   (Member) In DIRTY HARRY, Harry Callahan embodies the spirit of the law and common sense whereas bureaucrats and politicians embody the letter of the law, often at the expense of crime victims. Harry likes to avoid legal loopholes by forging his own counter-loopholes when the time seems right.    Posted:   Nov 23, 2015 - 12:43 AM     By:   Disco Stu   (Member) Even though it may be meant as just entertainment, the film could be great because of that scene. It questions the example given by Jim Phelps as well as the response from RoryR. Having seen the film last week, the torture of Scorpio and the retrieval of the buried alive girl's corpse makes that I have no answer. I can understand both points of view. Most reasonable people know that you're on a express lane to hell if you give in to the beast in you in times of extreme stress, but what can you do if you have run out of options and time is running out? D.S. Key point to remember is "entertainment". Such a situation is hardly to arise in real life. It's fantasy. With all the items about the "behaviour" of some police men and units, it's less fantasy than you'd like it to be. If you consider the 1990s with Daryl Gates to be history, there was the "Hat squad" in the 40s, and that's just LA. D.S.    Posted:   Nov 23, 2015 - 3:45 AM     By:   Metryq   (Member) RoryR wrote: Oh, man.... that's a typical right-wing type question. https://youtu.be/VogzExP3qhI Disco Stu wrote: I have no answer. I can understand both points of view. I never assume an author is arguing a point by including it in a story—such as the Dirty Harry torture scene. Likewise, Orwell's 1984 is not meant to be a template for the future, but a cautionary tale. I enjoyed the DEXTER series because, for me, it was not a superficial endorsement of vigilante justice with Dexter as the hero. Instead, I saw it as an examination of the pros and cons of our existing system of justice—when it succeeds, when it fails. Does any of this make what Dexter is doing "right"? The author endorses no particular answer, but expects the audience to question their own stance. And each episode is a new situation, a new test. Like Dirty Harry, there is also the first DEATH WISH movie with Charles Bronson. (The sequels are formula crap.) The only answer is that there is no answer because humans are not perfect.    Posted:   Nov 23, 2015 - 8:16 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Even though it may be meant as just entertainment, the film could be great because of that scene. It questions the example given by Jim Phelps as well as the response from RoryR. Having seen the film last week, the torture of Scorpio and the retrieval of the buried alive girl's corpse makes that I have no answer. I can understand both points of view. Most reasonable people know that you're on a express lane to hell if you give in to the beast in you in times of extreme stress, but what can you do if you have run out of options and time is running out? D.S. Key point to remember is "entertainment". Such a situation is hardly to arise in real life. It's fantasy. With all the items about the "behaviour" of some police men and units, it's less fantasy than you'd like it to be. If you consider the 1990s with Daryl Gates to be history, there was the "Hat squad" in the 40s, and that's just LA. D.S. Oh, I wasn't referring to police actions which are clearly brutal and out of control in some instances, I was referring to the fantasy you would come upon a situation where you have to torture someone because a "time bomb" is ticking and you got to do it to save lives. It's Hollywood myth.     Non-Film Score Discussion: Speaking OF all things "Star Wars".....    << < 1 2  >   Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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