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I don't understand why people want the full movie on DVD. I mean, they release these highlight discs that feature most of the scenes that are needed to piece together the plot, so everything you need is represented. Everything else is superfluous padding. What does Brody bonding with his kid at the dinner table or everyone comparing scars in JAWS bring to the plot?
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Nov 22, 2015 - 6:28 PM
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rfeigels
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I just don't get it. In the Black Friday thread, everybody is drooling over the idea of the announcement involving an expansion of this or an expansion of that.
First of all, there is soooooooo much out there that has NEVER been released. Since wishing is free and has no boundaries, why is everyone so limited?
Secondly, many CDs are only 30 minutes and leave 30-60 minutes on the cutting room floor, I am aware. BUT BUT BUT those 30 minutes almost always contain the main themes, which is what we like about the score to begin with. And much of that stuff left out is subpar mickey-mousing anyway.
Think about it. When many of us on here (including me) say we love a particular score, what we mean (oftentimes without even realizing it) is that we love the main theme(s). And shortened CDs usually have those represented.
I am sure you guys are going to now site numerous examples of things not released that deserve to show up in a complete version of this or that. Well, I agree. There are lots of things I would like to see expanded. But I would rather have something that hasn't been released at all!
Depends. Some people with a passing interest are content with a 30 minute representation of the score. But others who really engage with the music want a lot of the great music that had to be cut out (often for economic reasons, not artistic). I would not want Silverado without To Turley, one of my favorite moments that was left off the original LP.
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I don't understand why people want the full movie on DVD. I mean, they release these highlight discs that feature most of the scenes that are needed to piece together the plot, so everything you need is represented. Everything else is superfluous padding. What does Brody bonding with his kid at the dinner table or everyone comparing scars in JAWS bring to the plot?
I don't understand why they release movies at all, in theater or on disc. I mean, you get the gist of everything in the trailer. The trailer's got all the stuff that everyone actually likes about the movie anyway. When people say they like a movie they virtually always mean they just like the bits you see in the trailer. So why bother with the rest at all?
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Sometimes bigger is better.
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Here is the thing I don't understand. Why do you want to deprive those who want more music from previously released scores from having it? Certainly nobody who you would see deprived of these opportunities is questioning your right to have released the ones you crave that have not yet seen any release.
As long as the labels see a market for both kinds they will release them. But face facts. These labels are not music preservation charities. They are designed to eek out a profit. As a recent thread showed us, there are very few scores left to be released that have high commercial potential. It is these popular expansions that bring the money that can support the more obscure and therefore unreleased scores that the labels may likely take a bath on.
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Oh and one last suggestion. Put your money where your mouth is. Start your own label and you can pick a wonderful slate of unreleased scores of your choice. It will maybe last a year before you go bust without a mix of commercial releases.
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Where do babies come from?
Okay son. We need to have a little talk...
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Nov 23, 2015 - 2:44 AM
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Francis
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I just don't get it. In the Black Friday thread, everybody is drooling over the idea of the upcoming CDs and most of the things they are hoping for are complete versions of stuff already released.
La-La Land is in the expanded soundtrack business. People on this forum are more or less familiar with their output and expect expansions to be part of the black friday batch. They are also savy to the business aspect where it's impossible for any label to put out only premiere releases and disregard often requested titles for expansion and remastering.
First of all, there is soooooooo much out there that has NEVER been released. Since wishing is free and has no boundaries, why is everyone so limited?
As a film fan and film score fan, speaking for myself, there aren't that many scores that have got no release whatsoever that I'd want to see released over expansions of scores I do like, and those that I do like to see I'm aware La-La Land has no chance of obtaining them. So kinda pointless to keep throwing them in.
Secondly, many CDs are only 30 minutes and leave 30-60 minutes on the cutting room floor, I am aware. BUT BUT BUT those 30 minutes almost always contain the main themes, which is what we like about the score to begin with. And much of that stuff left out is subpar mickey-mousing anyway.
"We"? I can only speak for myself, but 30 minutes is not enough. I also disagree that the "stuff left out" is not worthy because it didn't appear on the album. Often times I'll listen to an album and miss those moments that are engrained in my mind as being essential to a score (from having seen the film and experiencing them) and listening to a program that leaves these out is for me an unsatisfactory listening experience. Again IMO.
Think about it. When many of us on here (including me) say we love a particular score, what we mean (oftentimes without even realizing it) is that we love the main theme(s). And shortened CDs usually have those represented.
There are one-theme scores where even a 30 minute program is too much as the theme on a compilation score would suffice, however I'm not a main title-only fan. A film score is much more than just the opening credits track and I'm not a fan of concert program selections with a theme for the listener to salivate over, I want to hear the full range of the score and not just the ringtone.
I am sure you guys are going to now cite numerous examples of things not released that deserve to show up in a complete version of this or that. Well, I agree. There are lots of things I would like to see expanded. But I would rather have something that hasn't been released at all!
Like I said, right now with so many scores in recent years that got premiere releases, there are few left that I crave for. And to simply wish for a title because it is unreleased, I get that you want to experience and seek out new scores, but to make the opposite case: there is tons of unreleased material for released scores that still needs to get released. 
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Nov 23, 2015 - 3:21 AM
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Thor
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I just don't get it. In the Black Friday thread, everybody is drooling over the idea of the upcoming CDs and most of the things they are hoping for are complete versions of stuff already released.
First of all, there is soooooooo much out there that has NEVER been released. Since wishing is free and has no boundaries, why is everyone so limited?
Secondly, many CDs are only 30 minutes and leave 30-60 minutes on the cutting room floor, I am aware. BUT BUT BUT those 30 minutes almost always contain the main themes, which is what we like about the score to begin with. And much of that stuff left out is subpar mickey-mousing anyway.
Think about it. When many of us on here (including me) say we love a particular score, what we mean (oftentimes without even realizing it) is that we love the main theme(s). And shortened CDs usually have those represented.
I am sure you guys are going to now cite numerous examples of things not released that deserve to show up in a complete version of this or that. Well, I agree. There are lots of things I would like to see expanded. But I would rather have something that hasn't been released at all!
I agree with you, barryfan (no surprise there, I guess). I also find the desire for expansions totally baffling. Then again, I also feel the same way about people who risk their own lives and the lives of their loved ones in high-wire stunts, or people who put sardines on their pizza. We all live in this world of different desires and preferences, and we have to cope with that. True, I used to find the prevalence of this "alien" desire for expansions rather annoying, but these days it mostly leaves me apathetic.
What I DO still find irritating, though, is that we've lost something important along the way -- especially as far the discussions are concerned. These days, it seems like people are more eager to talk about what's NOT on an album (and how to acquire it), than enjoying and talking about the music that is actually there.
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