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Nov 28, 2015 - 2:09 PM
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Mike_J
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I've pretty much given up on Dr Who in recent years but tonight, with my lady away and with nothing better to do I caught tonight's episode Heaven Sent.
My verdict? Possibly the worst thing I have seen on TV in years. Seriously, who wrote that rubbish? The entire episode was terrible but the climax - such as it was - just went on and on and on - when the Doc said something about a billion years, I felt that was how long I'd been enduring it.
Now, I know I'm not up on current Dr Who but I seriously don't believe that, had I not had that disadvantage, the episode would have been any better. The writing was beyond risible.
The main reason I gave up watching in the first place was because of the declining quality of the writing - everything these days has to be dark, the doctor always has to have a secret, the resolution is always some stupid solution - but nothing could have prepared me for the piece of crap I watched tonight.
I understand that the show's ratings have been declining and on the strength of tonight's episode I'm hardly surprised. As a license payer, I am actually outraged that the BBC should be putting out such sub-standard rubbish as this.
So, can I ask, those of you are die-in-the-wool Dr Who fans; did you honestly enjoy this episode? It's a serious question because I'm genuinely interested in whether fan reaction is the polar opposite of mine or if even their love for the show has been tested by tonight.
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When we encounter something we don't understand, we have three choices:
(1) .... Try to understand it,
(2) .... Humbly admit we don't understand it,
(3) .... Assume it can't BE understood and is 'crap' because we're very clever, and anything WE can't understand can't BE understood.
Now I saw a lovely allegory about redemption cycles, eternity, penance, spirals, and eventual breaking through by redoing the past.
All done before, but THIS time with triumphant self-assertion beyond just the cycles of penance and suffering.
Eternity.
Where Amy is.
Just think ... A whole new generation of little kiddies understand this show. Little kiddies.
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Nov 28, 2015 - 4:48 PM
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Mike_J
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When we encounter something we don't understand, we have three choices:
(1) .... Try to understand it,
(2) .... Humbly admit we don't understand it,
(3) .... Assume it can't BE understood and is 'crap' because we're very clever, and anything WE can't understand can't BE understood.
Now I saw a lovely allegory about redemption cycles, eternity, penance, spirals, and eventual breaking through by redoing the past.
All done before, but THIS time with triumphant self-assertion beyond just the cycles of penance and suffering.
Eternity.
Where Amy is.
Just think ... A whole new generation of little kiddies understand this show. Little kiddies.
There's a difference between understanding something and being bored senseless by it.
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You fellas need to remember that Dr. Who has a tendency every now and again to try to be experimental. That carries its consequences.
This one was more of an art poem than anything else.
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So, can I ask, those of you are die-in-the-wool Dr Who fans; did you honestly enjoy this episode? It's a serious question because I'm genuinely interested in whether fan reaction is the polar opposite of mine or if even their love for the show has been tested by tonight.
Based on the reviews I've read of it so far, it seems like fan reaction is indeed the polar opposite of yours. A few reviews have even gone so far as to say this is among the best, if not the best episode of the revival series thus far.
This whole series has gotten largely positive reviews (especially compared to Series 8, which was weak aside from Capaldi's performance) aside from the stinker a fortnight ago, Sleep No More.
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Like what was said, this was largely experimental episode and shouldn't be seen as an example of what the show is like these days.
I liked it, though Moffat obviously reused his "mind palace" concept from Sherlock
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It wasn't artistic expression so much as Moffat's obsession with tropes.
Tropes are okay and even profound if they reflect real paradoxes and ambiguities in the world.
Old Pete was trapped in a web of grief and had to go to infinity to 'go back on himself' and rebirth himself. I'm willing to bet he's going to hit a big temptation to evil soon.
Hell, people really do this stuff, ask the mystics. It's the only way you recover. Kids brought up on this'll be a generation of giants.
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I agree that last night's episode was a bit rubbish, but that's my feeling on most episodes in the Moffat tenure. Oh, how I miss Russell T. Davies! I really like Capaldi a lot (far more than the whimsical Matt Smith), but he's not given good enough material to work with, and that's a shame.
I've got nothing against experimentation and non-linear narratives, but not if it borders on pretentiousness like "Heaven Sent". So I guess I don't share in all the "critical acclaim" this is getting.
Why is it pretentious? What is it pretending to be?
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D.p..
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Well, it's divided the fans. Definitely a love it or hate it episode. Personally I loved it. Peter Capaldi was stunning in this one man show, and it sported Murray Gold's best music for ages.
I think it was brave of the BBC to put something so different on at prime time main tv channel. The sort of thing ITV once did with The Prisoner, especially those last two episodes, which this bore some resemblance to.
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