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 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

I just watched Cinema Paradiso for the first time. Of course I zeroed in on Morricone's famous lush score. However, I found the movie itself to be kind of bland. Also, as an American, Ennio Morricone was the only name I recognized in the opening credits.

It got me thinking that the score was more famous than the movie itself. Are there any movies that seem to fall into this category?

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

For a time, decades ago, I think the theme if not the entire score to THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN was better known than the film. Now, it's kind of a wash. I knew the theme to GONE WITH THE WIND because of its use for the "Million Dollar Movie" on the old WOR-TV in NYC long before I ever saw the movie itself. I have a feeling the theme to PATTON is now better known than the movie, at least more people know the theme than have actually seen the movie. And I'll bet more people know the theme to THE ODD COUPLE because of the TV show than have actually seen the 1968 film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

I would say GWTW and The Magnificent Seven are not good examples as those are very famous movies that are also highly acclaimed. You could make a case for Patton however.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I'd wager that a whole lot more people were familiar with the music (the theme at least) from A SUMMER PLACE than got anywhere near the movie... (Not sure anybody but us nerds have ever been familiar with an entire film score.)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   rich.sherrill   (Member)

'Shaft', by Isaac Hayes. The title theme was, and still is, iconic. The film is pretty much forgotten, or at best a nostalgia piece.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Mike Batt's CARAVANS theme has simply gotta take the cake.

I mean... People in the Middle East are making MUSIC VIDEOS for it still apparently...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZKT1BpQpY

And here's a live orchestral version from 2010 conducted by Batt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t29Y-3zmC6w

And here's a folksy arrangement...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2HHeGeKxUg

And a pop-ish arrangement...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vU_gPCwo-Y


A pretty famous melody for a movie no one saw or remembers today!

Plus, the "Caravan Song" from the film has a dozen or more versions from different artists on Youtube, some of them pretty well-known.

This one's gotta take the cake!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I'd wager that a whole lot more people were familiar with the music (the theme at least) from A SUMMER PLACE than got anywhere near the movie... (Not sure anybody but us nerds have ever been familiar with an entire film score.)

By that logic, I guess one could argue that Love is a Many-Splendored Thing falls under this category as the music for the film (or at least the theme) is pretty well known.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2016 - 11:13 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

I'll wager far more people know Mancini's BABY ELEPHANT WALK than know it's from a movie named HATARI!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 1:14 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

How about "Unchained" and "Baby, Secret of the Lost Legend"?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   MI6   (Member)

Diamonds Are Forever is considered one of the weaker films in the 007 series. John Barry delivered a great score combining lush, romantic and at times jazzy touches to it. Securing the services of Dame Shirley Bassey for the second time since Goldfinger, the diva's interpretation of the title song is nothing short of amazing. The two instrumental versions of the main title (mine is the shorter EMI release which had a running time of 34 minutes) are so romantic.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 1:55 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

I would say GWTW and The Magnificent Seven are not good examples as those are very famous movies that are also highly acclaimed. You could make a case for Patton however.
Maybe in the US but in the rest of the world the music might be the first they heard. Magnificent 7 was use in Marlboro commercials long (and the gaucho horse ride scene in Moonraker) after the film itself became history.
Radio broadcasts, television sketches etc. make that the music may gain fame where the picture never came.
It becomes even stronger if you consider that people may know where it's from but never saw the picture. Every Westerner suppposedly knows "Saturday night fever" and knows the reference made by "Staying alive" but how many of them actually saw the film. Isn't that a case of the music being know better than the film ?

D.S.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 3:18 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Also, as an American, Ennio Morricone was the only name I recognized in the opening credits.

Not even Giuseppe Tornatore?

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I would say GWTW and The Magnificent Seven are not good examples as those are very famous movies that are also highly acclaimed. You could make a case for Patton however.

Though I'd say PATTON is a rather famous movie as well. Perhaps neither music nor film is quite as famous as Magnificen Seven or GWTW, but still...

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

I'd argue that some Erich Wolfgang Korngold scores are more "revered", I wouldn't say more famous, than the films they were written for, like Anthony Adverse, The Prince and the Pauper (although an underrated gem IMHO), Escape Me Never.

But then film music is still such a tiny "camp" of music lovers, I doubt that ANY score is more famous IF the movie is remembered at all. None of the "themes" makes a convincing case either - because if a film theme is famous, it's usually because the film is, like "Tara's Theme" from GWTW or the "Desert Theme" from Lawrence of Arabia. The Maginicent Seven had extra exposure through the Marlboro commercials, and I think that many who knew it from the commercial didn't associate it with the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I think the theme from "Around the World in 80 Days" is remembered more than the film.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I just watched Cinema Paradiso for the first time. Of course I zeroed in on Morricone's famous lush score. However, I found the movie itself to be kind of bland. Also, as an American, Ennio Morricone was the only name I recognized in the opening credits.

It got me thinking that the score was more famous than the movie itself. Are there any movies that seem to fall into this category?


I'm pleased you got around to watching 'Cinema Paradiso' as it's one of my all time favourite films therefore I can't say I agree with your opinion of it. However, at least in Europe it's a pretty famous movie which also won a Golden Globe, BAFTA award and Academy Award for Best Foreign Film in 1989, so certainly famous enough. I would argue that outside of film music circles, I don't think the score is really that well known.

Also, Giuseppe Tornatore is a pretty well known director by now.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

It was only the Best Picture AA winner of its year, a huge blockbuster, and is regularly shown on TV.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

Sorry people, but I have never heard of Giuseppe Tornatore. Who was he in the movie?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

How about "Unchained" and "Baby, Secret of the Lost Legend"?


Definitely yes, and probably no, respectively smile

One genuine example of this phenomenon is probably Trevor Jones's wonderfully anthemic theme from "Last of the Mohicans". It's been used frequently in adverts and programmes in the UK, yet I doubt that most people would know where it's from.

A cheating example, perhaps, would be Twisted Nerve's whistling theme. It's reasonably well-known due to "Kill Bill", adverts and ring tones (including mine) but I doubt more than a relative handful of people would have seen the Hywell Bennett film.

Obviously depends in part on your geographical perspective, but also on the ability of film score fans to take a step back and think like normal people.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2016 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

How about BORN FREE? If you're over fifty, like me, you probably know the movie quite well, but the theme is more universally known now, I would bet.

 
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