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 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Thinking about this and one that comes to mind for me is the Sidney Lumet directed SERPICO starring Al Pacino. It is one of my favorite Al Pacino films and after originally seeing it in the theater back in 1973, I still watch it often. Viewing the DVD release, it was confirmed by director Lumet in the Special Features that the film contained only 16 minutes of score. The film runs almost 3 hours. I loved the Soundtrack LP of Mikis Theodorakis' lovely and touching score. The LP has a 33 minute running time, so you get about 16 more minutes of music not heard in the film. The long cues HONEST COP and ON THE STREETS appearing on the LP, are totally not used in the film and yet they are two of my favorites when I listen to the album. ON THE STREETS in particular takes the Main Theme and gives it a great Jazzy, Funky take which is quite enjoyable. Interestingly there is one very short cue that does appear in the film and is not on the Soundtrack. It is a very dramatic and touching piece featuring the main theme, played at the climax of the scene where Serpico meets with his girlfriend in a coffee shop. I love that cue. So bittersweet.

I will be doing a score breakdown and analysis/review for the cues used in the film, hopefully later tonight or soon, if I can find my DVD and go through it.

In the case of SERPICO, I agree with director Lumet, who didn't think the film needed wall to wall score and was quite pleased with the 16 minutes that were so well placed in the film. The music used works wonderfully in my opinion and made me feel deeply for the character of Frank Serpico. I think it's one of Pacino's greatest performances and I really wanted him to win the Oscar that year. Jack Lemmon did for SAVE THE TIGER.

Please share your thoughts on long movies with short scores and on SERPICO if you wish.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I have seen the film only once. I also have the LP, which I have spun only once, so I never did a comparison. I remember liking the LP. Then again, I love the aesthetic of urban films from the late 1960s to the mid-1970s.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Well, at least we won't be having anyone asking for an expanded release of SERPICO.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Lumet is probably the only director I can think of who used original scores but never worked with a major composer

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Brilliant end theme, just right for serpico.
Dont recall much music in the film, a love theme i think.

Great movie. Pacino made a good hippy cop.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

Lumet is probably the only director I can think of who used original scores but never worked with a major composer

I guess that's a matter of definitions. Considering that his filmography includes scores by Richard Rodney Bennett, Howard Shore, Mark Isham, Carter Burwell, Johnny Mandel, Michael Small, and Quincy Jones, to name a few, I'd say he's worked with some pretty major composers.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Lumet is probably the only director I can think of who used original scores but never worked with a major composer

I guess that's a matter of definitions. Considering that his filmography includes scores by Richard Rodney Bennett, Howard Shore, Mark Isham, Carter Burwell, Johnny Mandel, Michael Small, and Quincy Jones, to name a few, I'd say he's worked with some pretty major composers.


I guess I missed a few razz

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

I think it's at least safe to say he's one of the few directors who knows when a film does not need a score. The dialogue in a film like Network has its own kind of rhythm and I'm not sure there is much that an underscore could add to it.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2016 - 12:19 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

Please share your thoughts on long movies with short scores and on SERPICO if you wish.'>

Few Lumet films have distinguished scores (I shudder when I think of Cy Coleman's Family Business e.g.), but he lavished an entire chapter of his book on film direction on music.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   couvee   (Member)

As with other films scores by Theodorakis ('Z' using Mauthausen comes to mind) the theme for 'Serpico' came from an older composition. In this case 'Dromi Palie (old roads)' was re-used from 'Ballads of Anagnostakis' a song cycle, written during the seven-year regime of the colonels in Greece with lyrics taken from poems by Manolis Anagnostakis (1925-2005). For the film it was given a very 70-s treatment in sometimes funky-style in arrangements by Bob James that works very well for the film I think.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 2:10 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

CASTAWAY has less than 15 minutes of original score if I recall correctly, and is just short of two and a half hours long.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Day of the jackal.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Dp

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The remake of "No Country For Old Men", scored by Carter Burwell.

He only did something like 15 minutes of score, but the film only has around five minutes of it (as I recall).


"Between Friends", one of the few scores James Horner did which has not seen a release, has about 18:00 minutes of score in it, not counting two source cues which I don't know if he did or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

CONRACK only has some 15 minutes of score, but then the film is "only" 1 hour 40 minutes or so, so not terribly long.

Doesn't CLOVERFIELD only have the 9-minute end credits suite, and then nothing else?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

The remake of "No Country For Old Men", scored by Carter Burwell.

He only did something like 15 minutes of score, but the film only has around five minutes of it (as I recall).




Ugh, the original No Country For Old Men was so much better.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


Doesn't CLOVERFIELD only have the 9-minute end credits suite, and then nothing else?


Yes.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Zulu has something like eighteen or nineteen minutes of score for a 138 minute picture. Not the longest film, but in terms of score/footage ratio, it's up there.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2016 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Lumet is probably the only director I can think of who used original scores but never worked with a major composer

actually, he intended to have NO SCORE for SERPICO!
Thankfully Dino DE TALKED HIM OUT OF IT.

the montage at the end, Knapp commission, Serpico at the docks IS ONE OF THE ALL-TIME GREAT
music and picture combos
bruce

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2016 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

This might be a good time for me to mention a score that has been on my mind of late. I might be one of very few people clamoring for an official release of Ry Cooder's music for Southern Comfort. I mention it in this thread because it somewhat fits the criteria. The film isn't long (just under 2 hours, I think) and the score runs only about 16 minutes I believe.

The music is very effective and atmospheric, and really pulls you into film. I know that about half of the music has been released on a compilation album, but I'd love to have the full score. I can only assume that, aside from this music not being in high demand, the only holdup might be from the composer himself not being interested in a release. I wouldn't expect this release from one of the bigger labels here but surely one of the smaller labels would like to take a stab at it. Perhaps it could be combined with another of Cooder's scores to round out the CD. Just a thought.

 
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